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[Dishevelled Den]

i agree with turk - this story (i know it's not real) left a bad taste in my mouth - actually - i'd quite like to slap the guy if i met him

statistically whats more likely to happen is that the gun gets taken off "dirty harry" and used against him

the mugger, having taken what he needs, now ditches the knife and mugs the next victim with a gun
this is known as escalation and its idiot right-wing gun nuts that are to blame with their ludicrous right to bear arms

didn't appreciate the racist undertones either


so i'll also apologise for being a killjoy on this one

sorry 

That's a fair old generalisation there bj

Aside from the obvious humour intended by the piece this seems to have excited some prickly response which I find quite surprising.

On a more real-world point however, I would suggest that such decisions regarding the right of a victim to escalate an incident to the point where the mugger is the object of attention rests solely with the victim.  Is it being suggested, sotto voce, that victims should submit in the face of such cowardly and unsocial behaviour?  I would be inclined to use whatever weapons I had to hand to defend myself.

There seems to be a consensus amongst the left that such perpetrators should be allowed to behave in this fashion without sanction, citing under-privilege and poor social opportunity as being the prime motivators for it.

The prime reason that such behaviour exists in this country is the unrealistic concern of the bleeding Trendies from the left, more than adequately propped up by the gutless machinations of the superficial institutions created by New Labour and the nanny state being engineered by Brussels, giving a veneer of understanding to these unacceptable acts.

It's about time that the perpetrators of such acts were confronted otherwise the streets will not be safe to walk and it’s also about time that ordinary decent people stood up for their rights to go about their business without interference from these feral and useless individuals, always trying to get something for nothing.



Forgive me if that sounds like a rant, it isn't really and it's not directed at bannjaxx whose analysis on most things I am reasonably comfortable with.

In my capacity of being a whore of the state for longer than I care to remember, I have direct experience of the trauma these acts place on the victims, not only at the time, but in the aftermath.

If this problem is not addressed robustly any of you reading this piece might well be the next victim.  The statistics to back that up, are far from a generalisation.

[LJay]

I think this needs to be kept in perspective of a bit of fun!

I also agree that we need to start standing up to the scum who are ruining our society! (such as the idiots who wanted my car keys a few months ago )

What brought things home to me was working for the NHS, when I first did self defense and break away training many years ago, we were taught techniques to disable and physically hurt an attacker with as little damage to ourselves as possible. When I was last required to train, things had changed so that you must not harm your attacker or use any kind of force against them. The example given was if they had hold of your hair you would simply push their hand on to your scalp to stop them pulling and shout for help, remaining in that situation till help arrived! How things change!

[dbug]

i agree with turk - this story (i know it's not real) left a bad taste in my mouth - actually - i'd quite like to slap the guy if i met him

statistically whats more likely to happen is that the gun gets taken off "dirty harry" and used against him

the mugger, having taken what he needs, now ditches the knife and mugs the next victim with a gun
this is known as escalation and its idiot right-wing gun nuts that are to blame with their ludicrous right to bear arms

didn't appreciate the racist undertones either


so i'll also apologise for being a killjoy on this one

sorry 

That's a fair old generalisation there bj

Aside from the obvious humour intended by the piece this seems to have excited some prickly response which I find quite surprising.

On a more real-world point however, I would suggest that such decisions regarding the right of a victim to escalate an incident to the point where the mugger is the object of attention rests solely with the victim.  Is it being suggested, sotto voce, that victims should submit in the face of such cowardly and unsocial behaviour?  I would be inclined to use whatever weapons I had to hand to defend myself.

There seems to be a consensus amongst the left that such perpetrators should be allowed to behave in this fashion without sanction, citing under-privilege and poor social opportunity as being the prime motivators for it.

The prime reason that such behaviour exists in this country is the unrealistic concern of the bleeding Trendies from the left, more than adequately propped up by the gutless machinations of the superficial institutions created by New Labour and the nanny state being engineered by Brussels, giving a veneer of understanding to these unacceptable acts.

It's about time that the perpetrators of such acts were confronted otherwise the streets will not be safe to walk and it’s also about time that ordinary decent people stood up for their rights to go about their business without interference from these feral and useless individuals, always trying to get something for nothing.



Forgive me if that sounds like a rant, it isn't really and it's not directed at bannjaxx whose analysis on most things I am reasonably comfortable with.

In my capacity of being a whore of the state for longer than I care to remember, I have direct experience of the trauma these acts place on the victims, not only at the time, but in the aftermath.

If this problem is not addressed robustly any of you reading this piece might well be the next victim.  The statistics to back that up, are far from a generalisation.

Please remember this was posted as a bit of fun and I also am suprised at some of the responses and the depth in which this piece has been analysed!  Racial undertones!! - never struck me so - methinks a bit too oversensitive reaction.

However on a serious note I fully agree with Zulu77's comments (has that user name got racial undertones?? ) and would also "use whatever weapons I had to hand to defend myself" and my family if threatened.

[Mr Skrunts]

I thought it was a brilliant postand took in in the way it was intended, as fun.

As the forum is growing and not every one understands some of our mentalities (mine included  )  Then maybe it's time to sujest the use of the title icons as a minimum or a sub tittle in bracketsi in this case may have been appropriate.

[Mr Skrunts]

I will just add, dbug has used the smilie icon on this post.   

[dbug]

I will just add, dbug has used the smilie icon on this post.   

Exactly mate - winking smiley = just for fun, not to be taken seriously   :-? :-?:-/

[Allenm]

I thought it was a brilliant postand took in in the way it was intended, as fun.

As the forum is growing and not every one understands some of our mentalities (mine included  )  Then maybe it's time to sujest the use of the title icons as a minimum or a sub tittle in bracketsi in this case may have been appropriate.

Not aimed at Skruntie...  but isn't at more like about time people on here grew up and got a life!

I have to say this (part of the) forum is turning into a pile of crap! not the fault of the admins who dedicate there time (and money) to make this facility available, but to the people on here hell bent on taking offence, causing offence or flouting the rules of what is someone else's playground.

Will you all be happy when either the admins think sod-it and turn it off, or the normal majority think sod-it and leave, leaving a dead space where there was once a nice atmosphere!

Sorry Rant over, but I am getting really sick of the way things are going here!

[Mr Skrunts]

I thought it was a brilliant postand took in in the way it was intended, as fun.

As the forum is growing and not every one understands some of our mentalities (mine included  )  Then maybe it's time to sujest the use of the title icons as a minimum or a sub tittle in bracketsi in this case may have been appropriate.

Not aimed at Skruntie...  but isn't at more like about time people on here grew up and got a life!

I have to say this (part of the) forum is turning into a pile of crap! not the fault of the admins who dedicate there time (and money) to make this facility available, but to the people on here hell bent on taking offence, causing offence or flouting the rules of what is someone else's playground.

Will you all be happy when either the admins think sod-it and turn it off, or the normal majority think sod-it and leave, leaving a dead space where there was once a nice atmosphere!

Sorry Rant over, but I am getting really sick of the way things are going here!

Nothing taken personally, but this subject has risen its head before.  All that has been asked over a period of time and posts (Keeping it Simple) is for a description of content in the header/title.  It was agreed by most that the descriptive icons covered most.

There have been plenty of comments regards NWS posts which started off as Not Work Safe and I seemed to have made into Now Woman Safe in most of my posts.

My pet hate is the posts that have the stupid scary scream at the end that make people jump, which offends me on behalf of those with weak tickers

TheBoy has often commented on the lack of decription or meaning in the titles.  Allthough this post could be decribed as one of those I feel it only fair to mention that dbug is one of only a few members to utilise the smilies.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

When threads develop like this from a bit of fun, then I just want to give up!!

There is far more to worry about in this world than a bit of adult comic humour!   

If I want a good serious read then I buy the Daily Telegraph not log in to the OOF!  Outside of the car stuff it is for lighthearted fun and the expressing of views away from regular life 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Banjax]

OK i was being a bit touchy this morning perhaps? generally i'm not a morning person 

apologies for getting my knickers in a twist, i was guilty of taking life too seriously there for a second - but i do enjoy the way everyone has a different viewpoint - it's one of the great things about the OOF

ps Zulu - i'd started a big piece on the fall of western civilisation and the causes of crime both social and economic - but i'm afraid i bored even myself


and for all you arguing it was just a bit of fun, i think you're right - i hate when someone takes offense where none is intended - this time i'm the one who was being a bit precious - next time i'll let the meds kick in before posting 

[dbug]

When threads develop like this from a bit of fun, then I just want to give up!!

There is far more to worry about in this world than a bit of adult comic humour!   

If I want a good serious read then I buy the Daily Telegraph not log in to the OOF!  Outside of the car stuff it is for lighthearted fun and the expressing of views away from regular life 8-) 8-) 8-)

  Agreed Lizzie

[Dishevelled Den]

OK i was being a bit touchy this morning perhaps? generally i'm not a morning person 

apologies for getting my knickers in a twist, i was guilty of taking life too seriously there for a second - but i do enjoy the way everyone has a different viewpoint - it's one of the great things about the OOF

ps Zulu - i'd started a big piece on the fall of western civilisation and the causes of crime both social and economic - but i'm afraid i bored even myself


and for all you arguing it was just a bit of fun, i think you're right - i hate when someone takes offense where none is intended - this time i'm the one who was being a bit precious - next time i'll let the meds kick in before posting 

Well said bj it's because of this reasoning I value anything you post  8-)

[Banjax]

cheers zulu, i'll take a mulligan on this one

normal service will be resumed 

[Dishevelled Den]

In the words on the great Holy Count I was a bit 'up myself' when I replied in those terms and at such length. 

Forgive me, it's difficult to break away from officialdom.

Should it happen again, in inappropriate threads, please feel free to slap me down like the hoary old git that I am.

I thank you

[elite_one]

Excellent  very entertaining