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[Nickbat]

That is very much the problem BJ,Cameron came along as a light blue alternative to Blair when Blair was still conning gullible voters with his lies.Those days are gone now so he is a man out of his time,but he will still get elected because Brown so obviously is way out of his depth.
I  can remember speaking to true blue Tories at the end of the Major years who openly admitted that they deserved to lose ,they were ib utter chaos and just trying to survive from one day to the next.I think Liebour is now in exactly the same position,you dont really hear anyone bothering to defend them anymore,just people on the left worrying that the Tories will be worse.
Personally I think the Tories will be crap but I cant imagine them or anyone else being anywhere near as bad as this lot have been.I can remember back as far as Wilson and firmly believe that this is by a long long way the worst government this country has ever seen.A total rather disgrace on any level I can think off.








Rant over,feel a little better now. 

That's a very astute observation, Albs. 

I believe that all life is cyclical. And that applies to politics as well! 

What Cameron doesn't realise is that, although the media remains pinkish liberal, the country at large has, after dipping its toes in the water of the Left at the last elections, has now turned distinctly towards the Right – in other words, towards the old True Blue attitude typified by the support for Margaret Thatcher. That doesn't mean a return to the policies of the 1980s, but rather a return to the cohesion and energy of that decade. Sure, there was a degree of discord, but the populous knew what they were getting and they voted for it. 

As a country, I believe we have lost our identity. That isn't to do with race, it is rather that, whatever our colour or creed, we need (nay, we are desperate for) a cohesive vision of the future which can bind us all together.

Cameron, is clearly better than Brown, but he has admitted to being "an heir to Blair". We need a Centre-Right leader who can stand up for the UK in Europe and who can domestically unite the country. He needs to veer Right a bit.

But that's just my opinion.       

[Vamps]

What ever party they belong to, they ALL should F^%K OFF

Agreed. Did you hear Vince Cable saying how he would freeze public sector pay, zadda, zadda.......

He'll never be in government and have to face the backlash, so he's talkin out of his shitter, as usual.

A bad idea,it doesnt need freezing,it needs slashing, and when there is a politician who has the balls to do it ,I will get off my arse and vote for him/her/it/gender-reassigned/whatever.

Why, when their level of pay is often quite poor relative to the job's / responsibilities some of them do / have?
Get rid of all the non-Jobs then I am in full support..

And, in my opinion, if someone does not come up with a decent alternative proposal then I can see Labour getting back in, as long as they have a leadership change.... :-/

[Dishevelled Den]

That's a very astute observation, Albs. 

I believe that all life is cyclical. And that applies to politics as well! 

What Cameron doesn't realise is that, although the media remains pinkish liberal, the country at large has, after dipping its toes in the water of the Left at the last elections, has now turned distinctly towards the Right – in other words, towards the old True Blue attitude typified by the support for Margaret Thatcher. That doesn't mean a return to the policies of the 1980s, but rather a return to the cohesion and energy of that decade. Sure, there was a degree of discord, but the populous knew what they were getting and they voted for it. 

As a country, I believe we have lost our identity. That isn't to do with race, it is rather that, whatever our colour or creed, we need (nay, we are desperate for) a cohesive vision of the future which can bind us all together.

Cameron, is clearly better than Brown, but he has admitted to being "an heir to Blair". We need a Centre-Right leader who can stand up for the UK in Europe and who can domestically unite the country. He needs to veer Right a bit.

But that's just my opinion.       

....or she, Nick

[Nickbat]

That's a very astute observation, Albs. 

I believe that all life is cyclical. And that applies to politics as well! 

What Cameron doesn't realise is that, although the media remains pinkish liberal, the country at large has, after dipping its toes in the water of the Left at the last elections, has now turned distinctly towards the Right – in other words, towards the old True Blue attitude typified by the support for Margaret Thatcher. That doesn't mean a return to the policies of the 1980s, but rather a return to the cohesion and energy of that decade. Sure, there was a degree of discord, but the populous knew what they were getting and they voted for it. 

As a country, I believe we have lost our identity. That isn't to do with race, it is rather that, whatever our colour or creed, we need (nay, we are desperate for) a cohesive vision of the future which can bind us all together.

Cameron, is clearly better than Brown, but he has admitted to being "an heir to Blair". We need a Centre-Right leader who can stand up for the UK in Europe and who can domestically unite the country. He needs to veer Right a bit.

But that's just my opinion.       

....or she, Nick

Do you have someone in mind, Zulu? 

[x.ray]

veer to the right?
if we get any more right than new labour we will be next to atila the hun.
i remember listening to edward heath who was more left wing than this government

[Banjax]

That is very much the problem BJ,Cameron came along as a light blue alternative to Blair when Blair was still conning gullible voters with his lies.Those days are gone now so he is a man out of his time,but he will still get elected because Brown so obviously is way out of his depth.
I  can remember speaking to true blue Tories at the end of the Major years who openly admitted that they deserved to lose ,they were ib utter chaos and just trying to survive from one day to the next.I think Liebour is now in exactly the same position,you dont really hear anyone bothering to defend them anymore,just people on the left worrying that the Tories will be worse.
Personally I think the Tories will be crap but I cant imagine them or anyone else being anywhere near as bad as this lot have been.I can remember back as far as Wilson and firmly believe that this is by a long long way the worst government this country has ever seen.A total rather disgrace on any level I can think off.








Rant over,feel a little better now. 

That's a very astute observation, Albs. 

I believe that all life is cyclical. And that applies to politics as well! 

What Cameron doesn't realise is that, although the media remains pinkish liberal, the country at large has, after dipping its toes in the water of the Left at the last elections, has now turned distinctly towards the Right – in other words, towards the old True Blue attitude typified by the support for Margaret Thatcher. That doesn't mean a return to the policies of the 1980s, but rather a return to the cohesion and energy of that decade. Sure, there was a degree of discord, but the populous knew what they were getting and they voted for it. 

As a country, I believe we have lost our identity. That isn't to do with race, it is rather that, whatever our colour or creed, we need (nay, we are desperate for) a cohesive vision of the future which can bind us all together.

Cameron, is clearly better than Brown, but he has admitted to being "an heir to Blair". We need a Centre-Right leader who can stand up for the UK in Europe and who can domestically unite the country. He needs to veer Right a bit.

But that's just my opinion.       

i don't know if you can say that Nick - he's done nothing of substance - looks like he's a shoe-in tho so he'll either be found out or rise to the challenge - i know where i'm putting my money 

[Dishevelled Den]

That's a very astute observation, Albs. 

I believe that all life is cyclical. And that applies to politics as well! 

What Cameron doesn't realise is that, although the media remains pinkish liberal, the country at large has, after dipping its toes in the water of the Left at the last elections, has now turned distinctly towards the Right – in other words, towards the old True Blue attitude typified by the support for Margaret Thatcher. That doesn't mean a return to the policies of the 1980s, but rather a return to the cohesion and energy of that decade. Sure, there was a degree of discord, but the populous knew what they were getting and they voted for it. 

As a country, I believe we have lost our identity. That isn't to do with race, it is rather that, whatever our colour or creed, we need (nay, we are desperate for) a cohesive vision of the future which can bind us all together.

Cameron, is clearly better than Brown, but he has admitted to being "an heir to Blair". We need a Centre-Right leader who can stand up for the UK in Europe and who can domestically unite the country. He needs to veer Right a bit.

But that's just my opinion.       

....or she, Nick

Do you have someone in mind, Zulu? 

  I wish.

This is going to be a real problem of course but unless the next leader has real strength, is their own person and above everything else has the desire to put Brussels firmly in it's place, we're going to see precious little change.

[Nickbat]

veer to the right?
if we get any more right than new labour we will be next to atila the hun.
i remember listening to edward heath who was more left wing than this government

Not sure I follow you there, x.ray. :-?

As I have said before, the so-called political spectrum is really sphere: Go far enough to the Left and you'll meet the far Right. This bunch that we have now is to the Left of centre. The country, meanwhile, has turned to the Right of centre.

[Banjax]

veer to the right?
if we get any more right than new labour we will be next to atila the hun.
i remember listening to edward heath who was more left wing than this government

Not sure I follow you there, x.ray. :-?

As I have said before, the so-called political spectrum is really sphere: Go far enough to the Left and you'll meet the far Right. This bunch that we have now is to the Left of centre. The country, meanwhile, has turned to the Right of centre.

i'd say new labour is a centrist party nowadays, tories slightly to the right of centre and it's the Lib-Dems who are left of centre 

[Nickbat]

That is very much the problem BJ,Cameron came along as a light blue alternative to Blair when Blair was still conning gullible voters with his lies.Those days are gone now so he is a man out of his time,but he will still get elected because Brown so obviously is way out of his depth.
I  can remember speaking to true blue Tories at the end of the Major years who openly admitted that they deserved to lose ,they were ib utter chaos and just trying to survive from one day to the next.I think Liebour is now in exactly the same position,you dont really hear anyone bothering to defend them anymore,just people on the left worrying that the Tories will be worse.
Personally I think the Tories will be crap but I cant imagine them or anyone else being anywhere near as bad as this lot have been.I can remember back as far as Wilson and firmly believe that this is by a long long way the worst government this country has ever seen.A total rather disgrace on any level I can think off.








Rant over,feel a little better now. 

That's a very astute observation, Albs. 

I believe that all life is cyclical. And that applies to politics as well! 

What Cameron doesn't realise is that, although the media remains pinkish liberal, the country at large has, after dipping its toes in the water of the Left at the last elections, has now turned distinctly towards the Right – in other words, towards the old True Blue attitude typified by the support for Margaret Thatcher. That doesn't mean a return to the policies of the 1980s, but rather a return to the cohesion and energy of that decade. Sure, there was a degree of discord, but the populous knew what they were getting and they voted for it. 

As a country, I believe we have lost our identity. That isn't to do with race, it is rather that, whatever our colour or creed, we need (nay, we are desperate for) a cohesive vision of the future which can bind us all together.

Cameron, is clearly better than Brown, but he has admitted to being "an heir to Blair". We need a Centre-Right leader who can stand up for the UK in Europe and who can domestically unite the country. He needs to veer Right a bit.

But that's just my opinion.       

i don't know if you can say that Nick - he's done nothing of substance - looks like he's a shoe-in tho so he'll either be found out or rise to the challenge - i know where i'm putting my money 

I think GB has lost the plot entirely. On other hand, "Call me Dave" appears to be living in the same dimension as the rest of us...but that could be just an illusion. 

[Dishevelled Den]

i don't know if you can say that Nick - he's done nothing of substance - looks like he's a shoe-in tho so he'll either be found out or rise to the challenge - i know where i'm putting my money 

  and Brown has Cameron hasn't been in government for the last 12 years Brown has and he's still managed to achieve nothing but half-cocked, blunderbuss ideas which have done for this country but left it on its arse!

[x.ray]

that's were i would disagree
i don't see this lot as left of centre. i think they are right of centre.
the point about E.H was that he was more left of centre than where Blair et al took the labour party. champagne socialists

[Nickbat]

veer to the right?
if we get any more right than new labour we will be next to atila the hun.
i remember listening to edward heath who was more left wing than this government

Not sure I follow you there, x.ray. :-?

As I have said before, the so-called political spectrum is really sphere: Go far enough to the Left and you'll meet the far Right. This bunch that we have now is to the Left of centre. The country, meanwhile, has turned to the Right of centre.

i'd say new labour is a centrist party nowadays, tories slightly to the right of centre and it's the Lib-Dems who are left of centre 

No, BJ, I'd take issue with that. The expansion of government bureaucracy since NuLabour came to power clearly indicates a desire for central command, which is clearly Leftish, IMHO.   

[x.ray]

is it not greedy bankers that have caused the problems?
and now we will all have to pay with cuts to our services

[Banjax]

veer to the right?
if we get any more right than new labour we will be next to atila the hun.
i remember listening to edward heath who was more left wing than this government

Not sure I follow you there, x.ray. :-?

As I have said before, the so-called political spectrum is really sphere: Go far enough to the Left and you'll meet the far Right. This bunch that we have now is to the Left of centre. The country, meanwhile, has turned to the Right of centre.

i'd say new labour is a centrist party nowadays, tories slightly to the right of centre and it's the Lib-Dems who are left of centre 

No, BJ, I'd take issue with that. The expansion of government bureaucracy since NuLabour came to power clearly indicates a desire for central command, which is clearly Leftish, IMHO.   

ok - i'll rephrase - the Lib-Dems are the most lefty main party nowadays?