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[x.ray]

could not agree more

[albitz]

What ever party they belong to, they ALL should F^%K OFF

Agreed. Did you hear Vince Cable saying how he would freeze public sector pay, zadda, zadda.......

He'll never be in government and have to face the backlash, so he's talkin out of his shitter, as usual.

A bad idea,it doesnt need freezing,it needs slashing, and when there is a politician who has the balls to do it ,I will get off my arse and vote for him/her/it/gender-reassigned/whatever.

Why, when their level of pay is often quite poor relative to the job's / responsibilities some of them do / have?
Get rid of all the non-Jobs then I am in full support..

And, in my opinion, if someone does not come up with a decent alternative proposal then I can see Labour getting back in, as long as they have a leadership change.... :-/

I should quantify my statement I think.The public sector is much too big imo,for thelong term good of the country I believe that it should shrink to the level you would reasonably expect to find in a non communist state.
I dont advocate cutting the wages of nurses etc,but there are for example a lot of council leaders who earn more then the pm.
Afaik public sector pay packages have to a large extent caught up with private sector pay packages and the  hard pressed taxpayer is paying for it .
I believe that the unrealistic and over generous (in todays world) pensions of public sector employees should  (and soon will have to) be brought into line with those in the private sector.
I heard on Newsnight tonight that the public sector is stillactually expanding,even in the current climate,that is plainly ridiculous.

[albitz]

is it not greedy bankers that have caused the problems?
and now we will all have to pay with cuts to our services

Thats a whole different conversation,but I dont believe its that simple and believe you me Brown was up to his neck in that particular mess from start to finish.

[x.ray]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

[Nickbat]

veer to the right?
if we get any more right than new labour we will be next to atila the hun.
i remember listening to edward heath who was more left wing than this government

Not sure I follow you there, x.ray. :-?

As I have said before, the so-called political spectrum is really sphere: Go far enough to the Left and you'll meet the far Right. This bunch that we have now is to the Left of centre. The country, meanwhile, has turned to the Right of centre.

i'd say new labour is a centrist party nowadays, tories slightly to the right of centre and it's the Lib-Dems who are left of centre 

No, BJ, I'd take issue with that. The expansion of government bureaucracy since NuLabour came to power clearly indicates a desire for central command, which is clearly Leftish, IMHO.   

ok - i'll rephrase - the Lib-Dems are the most lefty main party nowadays?

I'll buy that, Bannjaax!! 

[Nickbat]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

Let's be quite clear about this. The private sector pays for the public sector. Period. The public sector is financed purely from central government. Without the private sector there would be no tax revenues, and no public sector. So to rail against the private sector is to rail against the Golden Goose. 

Simples. 

[Dishevelled Den]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

[albitz]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

But the difference is that public sector salaries are paid from taxation,private sector salaries have to be earned in financial terms,otherwise the company which employs them goes bust,which is how we have many companies going bust at the moment with many people losing their jobs and yet the public sector is actually still growing.
Dont forget that if a city trader is paid a million pound bonus (which is  MUCH rarer than the papers would have you believe) they will pay £400,000 (500,000 from next year) of that in tax which will then pay wages in the public sector.

[albitz]

3 great minds or 3 fools ?

[Nickbat]

3 great minds or 3 fools ?

You, me and Zulu? 

[Dishevelled Den]

3 great minds or 3 fools ?

   

[albitz]

3 great minds or 3 fools ?

You, me and Zulu? 

Yep. ...........we all posted pretty much the same thing at the same time.

[x.ray]

simples
yes at this time in the economic cycle the biggest purchasers of private sector services is the public sector and its work force.
how many more of these wonderfull productive private sector jobs would be lost

[albitz]

And btw,the good times of the last decade were created by those people in the Banks, we were all living off the boom in the city,we may hate them now that some of them have been exposed as idiots but we werent complaining at the time.

[x.ray]

as to the big city bonuses paying taxes.
what did they do that was actually productive or useful?
manufacturing you may have an arguement