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[Vamps]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

[Dishevelled Den]

simples
yes at this time in the economic cycle the biggest purchasers of private sector services is the public sector and its work force.
how many more of these wonderfull productive private sector jobs would be lost

 :-?

[albitz]

simples
yes at this time in the economic cycle the biggest purchasers of private sector services is the public sector and its work force.
how many more of these wonderfull productive private sector jobs would be lost

Which is a totally false way to run an economy,it has to change but at the other end the private sector will survive ,it has to.The public sector will shrink,it has too.Otherwise the country will effectively be insolvent and the shrinking number of taxpayers wont be able to fund the public sector even if they pay 100% tax.

This situation has only arisen in the last 12 years.It is what has got us into this mess and at some point soon it has to stop.

[x.ray]

the good times they created was selling the dream on credit.
did it matter if people could afford it. no as long as they made money was all that mattered.
and yes people who borrowed shouldered some of the responsability.
i well remember all those junk mail letters coming through the door offering loans credit cards etc

[albitz]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

No is the simple answer,it is very heavily subsidised by heavy taxation of the pension funds of private sector workers.

[Dishevelled Den]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

...they certainly do M - I did, but HMG contributed a vastly greater proportion to my final salary scheme than a private concern ever would been capable of.

[x.ray]

the trillions in debt has not been created by the public sector.
who was it, let me think . oh yes those wonderful people in the greedy private, none productive, private sector.
who is it starving the private sector buisinesses of money to survive and grow.
yes again the private sector

[Dishevelled Den]

......just waiting for Nick now

[Vamps]

simples
yes at this time in the economic cycle the biggest purchasers of private sector services is the public sector and its work force.
how many more of these wonderfull productive private sector jobs would be lost

I was wondering this, as more and more services, provided by the LA are provided by private companies, and a lot of money is made from this, far more than if the council provided the services themselves. an example could be that a private care company will charge around £500 per night to look after a teenager... give him/her to me for £1500 per week...

[feeutfo]

i dont want to hear them talk. I want to see them do, and judge them by that. For me in my generation, what was done under the Tossies(<-wow see that,predictive text, nothing to do with me ) last term has left me scared.

In the current climate the"have nots" need all the help they can get from the "haves" they wont get that from the Tossies ahh Torries Tories oh you know what i mean 

Anybody got any kids looking for jobs? Ffs dont vote conservative imho. If History is anything to go by theyll hit them with a poll tax on top of it all.

....... accepting that we have ruled out the Tories Chris, where are we going to get the help from?

I see your point, for me, its not a case of the best Party, but the least worst. To answer honestly, no idea, but truly beleive they will less worse off with this lot. There are only 2 options after all .

Even on the news now, a piece on young people job seeking, a balance in cuts and investment....and Dole no doubt. You tell me....

.....this is going to a real problem Chris but we shouldn't settle for second best/least worst.  What the alternative is I'm as unsure, but there has to be some form of credible replacement :-/ :-/

Credible? We are talking politicians arent we? They are all as bad as each other lieing schemeing cheats, would clime over their own mother for fraction more power. As Billy Conolly once said, "the very desire to be a politician should ban them for life from ever being one"

By definition, the "Best politician" is the"worst politician" if you see what i mean. In my book anyway. And dont even get me started on expensis, they're all at it in one form or another.

[Vamps]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

...they certainly do M - I did, but HMG contributed a vastly greater proportion to my final salary scheme than a private concern ever would been capable of.

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

[albitz]

the good times they created was selling the dream on credit.
did it matter if people could afford it. no as long as they made money was all that mattered.
and yes people who borrowed shouldered some of the responsability.
i well remember all those junk mail letters coming through the door offering loans credit cards etc

That aspect of banking was very much encouraged by Gordon Brown as chancellor,remember all the talk of the feelgood factor etc ?
most of the boom was due to good and proper trading but the toxic debt of those who had borrowed what they couldnt repay wrecked the whole show.This problem was pointed out to GB and his friends in the boardrooms of certain banks (HBOS for one) many times but the "doom mongers" were either ignored or had their careers ruined to shut them up.
Brown was the man telling those poor fools who had borrowed up to the hilt not to worry,there wouldnt be a problem,the Tory policies which brought boom & bust were but a dim and distant memory.He should be strung up on a lampost for it imo.

[Dishevelled Den]

the trillions in debt has not been created by the public sector.
who was it, let me think . oh yes those wonderful people in the greedy private, none productive, private sector.
who is it starving the private sector buisinesses of money to survive and grow.
yes again the private sector

 :-?

[albitz]

the bleeding hearts of the private sector.
none of them were complaing when times were good and the salaries and pensions were better than that of the public sector.
i dont remember them offering parts of there pay rises or bonus to help the public sector

....I don't think that's relevant x-r when we should be concerned that the requirement to fund these overly generous public sector pensions is likely to cause real financial difficulty for the Treasury - and by extension, us - from this point forward.

Do public sector workers not pay for their pensions like anyone else then :-?

...they certainly do M - I did, but HMG contributed a vastly greater proportion to my final salary scheme than a private concern ever would been capable of.

To make up for the crap wages, can't have it always lets see how many offers want to be bin persons :question

Pretty sure binmen in my area earn at least as much as I do.

[x.ray]

albs was it gb who was offering people 125% of the value of houses?
was it gb who raised the lending threshold from 2x salary to five times salary.
i dont think so.
it was private sector companies who took risks to earn!!! there big bounuses