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[Mr Skrunts]

Can we force an EPG reload, and if we can, will it afect whats stored on the hard Drive.

[TheBoy]

In the case of Sky, its easy to see the difference, simply because their SD is bloody awful.

I have sources recorded via mce from Freesat HD, Freesat, and Freeview.  MCE is probably the worlds best upscaler, simply due to the hardware and software development around it.

Unless you view the sources one after the other, its not that easy to tell apart.  Yes, the Freesat HD definately has more detail, but its a bit like a 720p BR disc against a DVD on MCE - not that easy to tell apart without looking very closely.  Now BR disc at 1080p, that is noticibly different.

In order of quality, the sources I mentioned is:
Freesat HD
Freview SD
Freesat SD

[STMO999]

I find Sky SD with a decent television perfectly acceptable. It's only a rather telly. Who wants to see every wrinkle on Dierdre's saggy knockers?

Well, apart from Skruntie.

[KillerWatt]

In the case of Sky, its easy to see the difference, simply because their SD is bloody awful.

I have sources recorded via mce from Freesat HD, Freesat, and Freeview.  MCE is probably the worlds best upscaler, simply due to the hardware and software development around it.

Unless you view the sources one after the other, its not that easy to tell apart.  Yes, the Freesat HD definately has more detail, but its a bit like a 720p BR disc against a DVD on MCE - not that easy to tell apart without looking very closely.  Now BR disc at 1080p, that is noticibly different.

In order of quality, the sources I mentioned is:
Freesat HD
Freview SD
Freesat SD

DVD is 720p.
If there is going to be a difference when compared to BD-ROM at 720p, then it's going to be down to the player and/or decoder (assuming the same screen is used for both).

[TheBoy]

In the case of Sky, its easy to see the difference, simply because their SD is bloody awful.

I have sources recorded via mce from Freesat HD, Freesat, and Freeview.  MCE is probably the worlds best upscaler, simply due to the hardware and software development around it.

Unless you view the sources one after the other, its not that easy to tell apart.  Yes, the Freesat HD definately has more detail, but its a bit like a 720p BR disc against a DVD on MCE - not that easy to tell apart without looking very closely.  Now BR disc at 1080p, that is noticibly different.

In order of quality, the sources I mentioned is:
Freesat HD
Freview SD
Freesat SD

DVD is 720p.
If there is going to be a difference when compared to BD-ROM at 720p, then it's going to be down to the player and/or decoder (assuming the same screen is used for both).

PAL DVD is 576

[KillerWatt]

I find Sky SD with a decent television perfectly acceptable. It's only a rather telly. Who wants to see every wrinkle on Dierdre's saggy knockers?

Well, apart from Skruntie.

You wanna know what really slays me Steve?

Most of the people harping on about 1080p are in the "mid" life stage or plus of life, and both their sight & sound are nowhere near as good as they were when these people were in their early twenties.

[albitz]

Agreed Steve.I have no particular interest in HD etc,just want an acceptable picture for the ocassional programme I want to watch.Might feel different if I was a film watcher but I rarely do,I havent got the patience to spend 2 hours watching make believe on a screen,seems like a total waste of time to me.maybe I should change my user name to Larry Luddite.

[STMO999]

Agreed Steve.I have no particular interest in HD etc,just want an acceptable picture for the ocassional programme I want to watch.Might feel different if I was a film watcher but I rarely do,I havent got the patience to spend 2 hours watching make believe on a screen,seems like a total waste of time to me.maybe I should change my user name to Larry Luddite.

Go on then Larry

[STMO999]

I find Sky SD with a decent television perfectly acceptable. It's only a rather telly. Who wants to see every wrinkle on Dierdre's saggy knockers?

Well, apart from Skruntie.

You wanna know what really slays me Steve?

Most of the people harping on about 1080p are in the "mid" life stage or plus of life, and both their sight & sound are nowhere near as good as they were when these people were in their early twenties.

I never thought of that one.

[TheBoy]

I find Sky SD with a decent television perfectly acceptable. It's only a rather telly. Who wants to see every wrinkle on Dierdre's saggy knockers?

Well, apart from Skruntie.

You wanna know what really slays me Steve?

Most of the people harping on about 1080p are in the "mid" life stage or plus of life, and both their sight & sound are nowhere near as good as they were when these people were in their early twenties.

I have no desire to watch broadcasted HD (maybe an exception for nature progs), hence no Freesat here (dead easy to add to MCE - just chuck the cards in the PC).  I suspect they knobble it anyway due to bandwidth, and at max it'll be 720p. I do tend to buy BR discs rather than DVDs now as usually similar price

[richardirv]

In the case of Sky, its easy to see the difference, simply because their SD is bloody awful.

I have sources recorded via mce from Freesat HD, Freesat, and Freeview.  MCE is probably the worlds best upscaler, simply due to the hardware and software development around it.

Unless you view the sources one after the other, its not that easy to tell apart.  Yes, the Freesat HD definately has more detail, but its a bit like a 720p BR disc against a DVD on MCE - not that easy to tell apart without looking very closely.  Now BR disc at 1080p, that is noticibly different.

In order of quality, the sources I mentioned is:
Freesat HD
Freview SD
Freesat SD

By MCE i assume you are talking about Windows Media Center? I have a tuner in one of my PC's and have never been impressed with the freeview quality much lower than the sky image, but it might be just my tuner, it is a few years old.  :-/

[TheBoy]

In the case of Sky, its easy to see the difference, simply because their SD is bloody awful.

I have sources recorded via mce from Freesat HD, Freesat, and Freeview.  MCE is probably the worlds best upscaler, simply due to the hardware and software development around it.

Unless you view the sources one after the other, its not that easy to tell apart.  Yes, the Freesat HD definately has more detail, but its a bit like a 720p BR disc against a DVD on MCE - not that easy to tell apart without looking very closely.  Now BR disc at 1080p, that is noticibly different.

In order of quality, the sources I mentioned is:
Freesat HD
Freview SD
Freesat SD

By MCE i assume you are talking about Windows Media Center? I have a tuner in one of my PC's and have never been impressed with the freeview quality much lower than the sky image, but it might be just my tuner, it is a few years old.  :-/

Yup, Media Center.

If its an analogue tuner, its all down to the software used to decode. I'm guessing its old software on a poor aerial.

I'm currently watching some chick-flick comedy recorded on freeview BBC3 upscaled to 1080p, and it looks DVD quality to me, but with stereo sound.

[richardirv]

Dunno thought it had to be digital to recieve freeview, analogue isn't freeview is it?

At work so don't know exact model but its a WinTV-NOVA-T PCI or summat. 

[KillerWatt]

I'm currently watching some chick-flick comedy recorded on freeview BBC3 upscaled to 1080p, and it looks DVD quality to me, but with stereo sound.

If it was being properly upscaled then it should be BD quality surely?

I've said it more than once, but I'll say it again.......upscaling isn't worth crap, becaise you CANNOT generate information that doesn't exist to start with.

[STMO999]

I'm currently watching some chick-flick comedy recorded on freeview BBC3 upscaled to 1080p, and it looks DVD quality to me, but with stereo sound.

If it was being properly upscaled then it should be BD quality surely?

I've said it more than once, but I'll say it again.......upscaling isn't worth crap, becaise you CANNOT generate information that doesn't exist to start with.

I'm not at all technically minded, but it sounds similar to when 2D pictures were remastered into 3D. The result was truly awful.