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[Nickbat]

Two bits I have stumbled across which may be of interest to those with children currently in school:

1. From James Bartholomew:
"Last night I went to a school to learn about the 'A' levels that one of my children might do. It was a grim reminder of how central government now dominates education and damages it.

I was told that not one of the examining boards for French 'A' level now sets a single piece of French literature. The students will not read a single French book or play. Instead they will go through a textbook which includes one chapter on literature and three on the environment. This is a sick cocktail of philistinism and eco-propaganda."

http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/archives/2009/09/no_literature_i.php


2. From Bishop Hill:
"By coincidence, I was also in school this week to hear about a new curriculum - this time the "Curriculum for Excellence" (CfE), which will be the basis of my children's education....

A "high-quality, values-based education" sounds interesting - promising even - until one asks "whose values?". What do they mean when they say they want to "prepare children for living in the global community"?  Or when they stress the importance of "developing political sensitivity" (I kid you not)?

I spent the coffee break looking at the sample text books helpfully provided for the occasion. The subject matter was pretty much predictable - climate change, more climate change, recycling, fair trade and then more climate change."

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/26/curriculum-for-environmentalists.html#comments



I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, but I sincerely believe that our children are being systematically brainwashed, and I believe that those who do think I'm boring will get a big wake-up call in a few years, unless something is done.

I want good old-fashioned learning, not this eco-cack.

I do not want my kids to be brainwashed. 

[Andy B]

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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired,  .....

Quite the opposite Nick 

[mantahatch]

Two bits I have stumbled across which may be of interest to those with children currently in school:

1. From James Bartholomew:
"Last night I went to a school to learn about the 'A' levels that one of my children might do. It was a grim reminder of how central government now dominates education and damages it.

I was told that not one of the examining boards for French 'A' level now sets a single piece of French literature. The students will not read a single French book or play. Instead they will go through a textbook which includes one chapter on literature and three on the environment. This is a sick cocktail of philistinism and eco-propaganda."

http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/archives/2009/09/no_literature_i.php


2. From Bishop Hill:
"By coincidence, I was also in school this week to hear about a new curriculum - this time the "Curriculum for Excellence" (CfE), which will be the basis of my children's education....

A "high-quality, values-based education" sounds interesting - promising even - until one asks "whose values?". What do they mean when they say they want to "prepare children for living in the global community"?  Or when they stress the importance of "developing political sensitivity" (I kid you not)?

I spent the coffee break looking at the sample text books helpfully provided for the occasion. The subject matter was pretty much predictable - climate change, more climate change, recycling, fair trade and then more climate change."

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/26/curriculum-for-environmentalists.html#comments



I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, but I sincerely believe that our children are being systematically brainwashed, and I believe that those who do think I'm boring will get a big wake-up call in a few years, unless something is done.

I want good old-fashioned learning, not this eco-cack.

I do not want my kids to be brainwashed. 

Unfortunatly Nickbat it has been going on for many years. Ask any young person why the rain forest is being cut down, there reply will be (if they listened at school) it so the US and the UK can have the hardwood. Now trying to buy hardwood in this country is quite difficult (just try)

The fortunate thing is the more the teachers try to brainwash the kids the less they will listen to them, the downside is of course they are loosing out in the education stakes with the rest of the world.

I have tried to drum into my kids the neccesity to speak another language, I get so frustrated with the school still trying to teach it as subject, ie writing it all down and copying off the "interactive white board".
Every parents evening I ask the language teacher how he/she learnt to speak English, you guessed it from imitating older people around them and practicing. and then writing it came later. so why can't they teach kids to learn a different language the same way ?

Sorry I am droning on now,

[mantahatch]

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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired,  .....

Quite the opposite Nick 

Agreed, I may not reply to many of them but I do generally like to be kept informed of this kind of thing. And you do a good job of that. 

[cem_devecioglu]

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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired,  .....

Quite the opposite Nick 

Agreed, I may not reply to many of them but I do generally like to be kept informed of this kind of thing. And you do a good job of that. 

seconded..

[albitz]

Thirded
This brainwashing on climate change political correctnes etc,etc,is sick and disgusting imo,they obviously studied Moa at uni in the 60,s and are now applying the techniques on todays schoolkids.

[Nickbat]

Thanks to those who have supported my postings. 

It's good to know that I'm not boring you all!!

[Vamps]

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I know some folks on here think my posts are a big terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired,  .....

Quite the opposite Nick 

Agreed, I may not reply to many of them but I do generally like to be kept informed of this kind of thing. And you do a good job of that. 

seconded..

And thirded.....

[albitz]

should be fourthded vamps,I already thirded,

[Vamps]

should be fourthded vamps,I already thirded,

Well I will type faster next time then....

[Dishevelled Den]

It's naked propaganda of course and the sooner people realize it the better.

What more accomplished way is there too prepare for the New World Order than interfering with impressionable minds.

In case there was any doubt that a NWO is on the agenda;

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8fc9df9c-a991-11de-a3ce-00144feabdc0.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/financeeconomyg20forexuschina

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090923/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama

[Banjax]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

[mantahatch]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

I don't think many people actually deny that climat change occurs, I think a lot of people disagree about wether it is man-made change or a natural planet change. Yes todays kids will probably have to deal with it more than we will, but surely they need the facts not fiction as spouted by some of the scientific community.
I can still remember being told in school in the 1970s that we are headed towards the next ice age, where they wrong then ? are they wrong now ? Personally I don't no the answer, and more importantly I don't think the scientists really have any idea what is going on with climate change, except they no they can make money from it.

[Dishevelled Den]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then?


Children must be exposed to a wide range of subjects and there is no doubt that the change in the planets climate is worthy of attention.

I feel the problem here is that this particular subject is being approached from a judgemental - almost evangelical - viewpoint.  It seems that deviators will not be tolerated and this appears to form part of the message being driven into impressionable minds. If that's not propaganda, I don’t know what is.  Where is the balance and considered debate?

Inform, as part as a relevant curriculum by all means, but don't try and subsume the minds of children to hammer home the message, which in this case, isn't by any means clear.  Is this propaganda acceptable in your view because it seems to gel with the current, if flawed, thinking?  Everyone’s on board so it must be all right?

If that's the case children taught along these lines will never be able to think on an independent basis and will be inclined to look to officialdom for the answers they need.  The net result of that is of course a populace totally dependent on the state to make decisions on their behalf, a populace incapable or afraid to challenge the accepted word.  Look to recent history for examples of this.



now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view


There is a vast difference between theoretical and practical science.  It does seem that the climate is experiencing change but the reasons for that change are by no means definitive.

I think it's fundamentally flawed thinking to base this change entirely on human activity and by extrapolation, believe that we as a race can alter this change by the narrow criteria presently being considered.  How arrogant of some to believe that the planets atmospheric conditions and global temperature range can be altered at will.

That is flawed thinking in my view and it forms the basis of the propaganda presently being formulated for dissemination into the educational curriculum. 

If that’s not worthy of concern, I don’t know what is.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Thanks to those who have supported my postings. 

It's good to know that I'm not boring you all!!

You will never bore me Nick, and your posts are so good and to the point that I so often find that there is liitle else I can add from the historical or political point of view

Although children may be going through this brain washing on the environment, I can give some ray of hope by making it clear that for those who succeed in making it to university they will enter an environment of constant questioining of the percieved and imaginary "facts" of the political world.  They will soon find that nothing should be accepted as it stands, and in depth questions must be asked of the subject in hand.  The flaws of the environmental debate are soon overshadowed and overwhelmed by the greater picture of political and scientific debate that often reveals the real situation.

You may well be shouting at me "well that is all well and good Liz at uni level, but what about primary and secondary school children?"   I will answer that the future teachers of those children are now being qualified at uni with the latest facts on their minds, without central political influence, and as always what is independantly established at universities and other scientific establishments in time reaches down to the young in schools, regardless of the government in power.