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[Nickbat]

This is what really gets my goat. We're talking about the future of the planet here. That means our future and our children's future. Surely, there can be no more important issue.

But, someone is telling lies, either that, or they are talking out of pure ignorance:

COPENHAGEN, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara warned on Wednesday the 2016 Olympics could be the last Games, with global warming an immediate threat to mankind.

It could be that the 2016 Games are the last Olympics in the history of mankind," Ishihara told reporters at a Tokyo 2016 press event ahead of the vote.

"Global warming is getting worse. We have to come up with measures without which Olympic Games could not last long.

"Scientists have said we have passed the point of no return," said Ishihara.

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/AnyArticle/p.rdt?URL=http://www.reuters.com/article/olympicsNews/idUSLU38985020090930



"...global warming has stopped and a cooling is beginning. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth – quite the contrary. And this means that the projections of future climate are unreliable,” writes Henrik Svensmark, Professor, Technical University of Denmark, Copenhagen

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/10/svensmark-global-warming-stopped-and-a-cooling-is-beginning-enjoy-global-warming-while-it-lasts/



Now, I'm getting increasingly exasperated by all this. These are two diametrically opposing views. Which is right?

My own view is that we should take the latter more seriously for two reasons:
a) it is scientifically more likely, IMHO.
b) heat is less damaging to humans than cold, so the trillions the world's governments are currently spending on propping up the global warming hoax should be spent on ensuring we get through a cooling phase.

With Copenhagen (big global warming summit in December) coming up, the world needs to ensure that we are addressing the right problem.

I'm sorry to bang on about this, but I want my kids to have a good future.

[Banjax]

This is what really gets my goat. We're talking about the future of the planet here. That means our future and our children's future. Surely, there can be no more important issue.

But, someone is telling lies, either that, or they are talking out of pure ignorance:

COPENHAGEN, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara warned on Wednesday the 2016 Olympics could be the last Games, with global warming an immediate threat to mankind.

It could be that the 2016 Games are the last Olympics in the history of mankind," Ishihara told reporters at a Tokyo 2016 press event ahead of the vote.

"Global warming is getting worse. We have to come up with measures without which Olympic Games could not last long.

"Scientists have said we have passed the point of no return," said Ishihara.

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/AnyArticle/p.rdt?URL=http://www.reuters.com/article/olympicsNews/idUSLU38985020090930



"...global warming has stopped and a cooling is beginning. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth – quite the contrary. And this means that the projections of future climate are unreliable,” writes Henrik Svensmark, Professor, Technical University of Denmark, Copenhagen

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/10/svensmark-global-warming-stopped-and-a-cooling-is-beginning-enjoy-global-warming-while-it-lasts/



Now, I'm getting increasingly exasperated by all this. These are two diametrically opposing views. Which is right?

My own view is that we should take the latter more seriously for two reasons:
a) it is scientifically more likely, IMHO.
b) heat is less damaging to humans than cold, so the trillions the world's governments are currently spending on propping up the global warming hoax should be spent on ensuring we get through a cooling phase.

With Copenhagen (big global warming summit in December) coming up, the world needs to ensure that we are addressing the right problem.

I'm sorry to bang on about this, but I want my kids to have a good future.

i think we'll discover they're both wrong Nickbat -  they're the opinion of two lone nutters - i wouldn't put any stock in either 

[mantahatch]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

[Elite Pete]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

It could end in 2 minutes the way my stomach is gurgling

[Banjax]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

i thought it was 2012? thats what the tea leaves say anyway 

[Omegadoha, Desert Member]

You can't listen to these people. They are always blowing hot and cold.

[Varche]

This is what really gets my goat. We're talking about the future of the planet here. That means our future and our children's future. Surely, there can be no more important issue.

But, someone is telling lies, either that, or they are talking out of pure ignorance:

COPENHAGEN, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara warned on Wednesday the 2016 Olympics could be the last Games, with global warming an immediate threat to mankind.

It could be that the 2016 Games are the last Olympics in the history of mankind," Ishihara told reporters at a Tokyo 2016 press event ahead of the vote.

"Global warming is getting worse. We have to come up with measures without which Olympic Games could not last long.

"Scientists have said we have passed the point of no return," said Ishihara.

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/AnyArticle/p.rdt?URL=http://www.reuters.com/article/olympicsNews/idUSLU38985020090930



"...global warming has stopped and a cooling is beginning. No climate model has predicted a cooling of the Earth – quite the contrary. And this means that the projections of future climate are unreliable,” writes Henrik Svensmark, Professor, Technical University of Denmark, Copenhagen

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/10/svensmark-global-warming-stopped-and-a-cooling-is-beginning-enjoy-global-warming-while-it-lasts/



Now, I'm getting increasingly exasperated by all this. These are two diametrically opposing views. Which is right?

My own view is that we should take the latter more seriously for two reasons:
a) it is scientifically more likely, IMHO.
b) heat is less damaging to humans than cold, so the trillions the world's governments are currently spending on propping up the global warming hoax should be spent on ensuring we get through a cooling phase.
With Copenhagen (big global warming summit in December) coming up, the world needs to ensure that we are addressing the right problem.

I'm sorry to bang on about this, but I want my kids to have a good future.

Humans are pathetically poor at coping with extremes of heat or cold. We lead a very precarious existence. A global drop or increase in temp by more than a few degrees would have far reaching consequences.

We live in what I call the exponential society. Each DAY someone has to come up with something more amazing, earth shattering, faster, bigger, more economical, impressive and so on than yesterday. Marketing led of course. The scientists are just caught up in this. To do worthwhile studies requires gathering proper data over a representative time (say another 100,000 years). One big problem with that is that todays Eminent scientists will be well dead by then so feel they have to come up with something now!

V

[Nickbat]

i think we'll discover they're both wrong Nickbat -  they're the opinion of two lone nutters - i wouldn't put any stock in either 

Svensmark is no nutter, as you put it. You do realise that the Sun is at its quietest for 100 years and that cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we’ve seen in the past 50 years?.
 

[Banjax]

i think we'll discover they're both wrong Nickbat -  they're the opinion of two lone nutters - i wouldn't put any stock in either 

Svensmark is no nutter, as you put it. You do realise that the Sun is at its quietest for 100 years and that cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we’ve seen in the past 50 years?.
 

i love you're so open to alternative ideas nickbat - does this rebelliousness colour other aspects of your life or just climate change?

anyway svensmark isn't a nutter but his "galactic cosmic ray" theory has been widely discredited - theres little evidence that this is a cause of global warming 

as far as the earth cooling - that'll be interesting as we're coming out of an ice age (anytime theres ice on the poles, we're in an ice age) 

time will tell...................

[M0T0RVATE]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

i thought it was 2012? thats what the tea leaves say anyway 

Was 2012, then someone recalculated, now its 2011...
 

 

[Nickbat]

i think we'll discover they're both wrong Nickbat -  they're the opinion of two lone nutters - i wouldn't put any stock in either 

Svensmark is no nutter, as you put it. You do realise that the Sun is at its quietest for 100 years and that cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we’ve seen in the past 50 years?.
 

i love you're so open to alternative ideas nickbat - does this rebelliousness colour other aspects of your life or just climate change?

anyway svensmark isn't a nutter but his "galactic cosmic ray" theory has been widely discredited - theres little evidence that this is a cause of global warming 

as far as the earth cooling - that'll be interesting as we're coming out of an ice age (anytime theres ice on the poles, we're in an ice age) 

time will tell...................

Not heard of the Dalton Minimum, then BJ?

[mantahatch]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

i thought it was 2012? thats what the tea leaves say anyway 

Sorry bj you are correct, must learn to check my typing. 

[Banjax]

i think we'll discover they're both wrong Nickbat -  they're the opinion of two lone nutters - i wouldn't put any stock in either 

Svensmark is no nutter, as you put it. You do realise that the Sun is at its quietest for 100 years and that cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we’ve seen in the past 50 years?.
 

i love you're so open to alternative ideas nickbat - does this rebelliousness colour other aspects of your life or just climate change?

anyway svensmark isn't a nutter but his "galactic cosmic ray" theory has been widely discredited - theres little evidence that this is a cause of global warming 

as far as the earth cooling - that'll be interesting as we're coming out of an ice age (anytime theres ice on the poles, we're in an ice age) 

time will tell...................

Not heard of the Dalton Minimum, then BJ?

i have not NB - but i'll have a look when i've got a minute 

[Banjax]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

i thought it was 2012? thats what the tea leaves say anyway 

Sorry bj you are correct, must learn to check my typing. 

the tea leaves never lie Manta 

[mantahatch]

I would not worry to much, the earth ends in 2011 anyway, at least according to a few groups of well meaning individuals 

i thought it was 2012? thats what the tea leaves say anyway 

Was 2012, then someone recalculated, now its 2011...
 

 

Yes thinking about it 2011 would be about right as my mortgage is paid off in 2012, so would have to stuff that up.