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[Nickbat]

Please, please, watch this.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_2bP9n3R0&feature=player_embedded[/media]

..and remember that the the UN is holding a conference in Copenhagen (December), which is intended to slash the industrialised nations' output of carbon dioxide while, at the same time, paying trillions in reparations to LDCs (Less Developed Countries). You may terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired, but this could affect each and every one of us.

Meantime, the Sun continues its slumber...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/03/cycle-24-spotless-days-keeps-moving-up-the-hill-now-competitive-with-the-baby-grand-minimum/

 

[Dishevelled Den]

Will we be allowed to have this open dialogue?

Would it not be more reasonable to suspect that it was, is and always will be the sun - anything mankind can muster in terms of the effect on the global climate cycle pales into insignificance when compared to it?

[Turk]

Saw the video heading 'Unstoppable solar cycles' and thought it was some new electric bike.     

[eddie]

So it would appear that the current 'Political' climate model is just a big scam to screw us?  Nice!

Someone tell Gordon and his Brownshirts.

eddie

[waspy]

That veryfies what we all know, it's a licence to scam as much £s outa us tax payers. Then we can give it away to other countries. What a good idea

[Banjax]

aah - good - we can all relax now, almost all scientific studies about our affect on climate change is bogus, theres nothing we need to do about it 

very balanced scientific argument - i love how theres no alternative view presented, unlike articles in proper news outlets who present both sides of the argument and allow us to examine the facts, it comes as no surprise to learn the source of the film and their methods

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute-tricked-video-subjects-in-unstoppable-solar-cycles


oh and i love your dependency on that Fox lackey Watt - always a pleasure 



it's the wrong argument in any case - no ones denying the earth would be warming anyway (i've said on numerous occasions that we're coming out of an ice age) but the argument is that are we accelerating global warming or not? 8-)


ps - have a look at the sinister "Idea Channel" website - its like some bizarre cult  :-/

[Dishevelled Den]

aah - good - we can all relax now, almost all scientific studies about our affect on climate change is bogus, theres nothing we need to do about it 

very balanced scientific argument - i love how theres no alternative view presented, unlike articles in proper news outlets who present both sides of the argument and allow us to examine the facts, it comes as no surprise to learn the source of the film and their methods

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute-tricked-video-subjects-in-unstoppable-solar-cycles


oh and i love your dependency on that Fox lackey Watt - always a pleasure 

it's the wrong argument in any case - no ones denying the earth would be warming anyway (i've said on numerous occasions that we're coming out of an ice age) but the argument is that are we accelerating global warming or not? 8-)

ps - have a look at the sinister "Idea Channel" website - its like some bizarre cult  :-/

it's the wrong argument in any case - no ones denying the earth would be warming anyway (i've said on numerous occasions that we're coming out of an ice age) but the argument is that are we accelerating global warming or not


....I thought that's precisely what the doom-mongers were doing bj by stating that changes to the climate were as a result of recent human activity and not part of the natural cycle of the relationship between the sun and its dependencies.  Indeed the terrifying nature of the message seems to depend on this suggestion to ensure maximum impact.




aah - good - we can all relax now, almost all scientific studies about our affect on climate change is bogus, theres nothing we need to do about it

….far from it bj, there’s plenty to be done.  What we shouldn’t do is;

 Stunt development by various means in the hope that less activity using technology as a facilitator will rectify matters;

Promote global harmonisation on the back of these scare tactics over climate change;

Deny our people a decent standard of life by restricting their personal movements and habits by demanding their adherence to a doctrine issued by unelected officials operating from a global agenda.



very balanced scientific argument - i love how theres no alternative view presented, unlike articles in proper news outlets who present both sides of the argument and allow us to examine the facts, it comes as no surprise to learn the source of the film and their methods


Is this the balance you refer to bj?;

http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.htm

....if it is, and I would be very surprised if it were, I think I'll look elsewhere for the other factors relevant to this debate



ps - have a look at the sinister "Idea Channel" website - its like some bizarre cult  :-/

...should feel right at home with the UN and IPCC then

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Hmmm...............interesting ....one sided view.....now ....... at least we can all sit back and use extra heat....light...etc ......etc.....with no need for any concern whatsoever.
I like the way that there was no possible alternative...it is all perfectly unambiguous.......done and dusted......everything is now clear........or perhaps Nickbat has been "cherrypicking " ...his information again.  

[Dishevelled Den]

Hmmm...............interesting ....one sided view.....now ....... at least we can all sit back and use extra heat....light...etc ......etc.....with no need for any concern whatsoever.
I like the way that there was no possible alternative...it is all perfectly unambiguous.......done and dusted......everything is now clear........or perhaps Nickbat has been "cherrypicking " ...his information again.  

...and good morning to you Optio

[Banjax]

aah - good - we can all relax now, almost all scientific studies about our affect on climate change is bogus, theres nothing we need to do about it 

very balanced scientific argument - i love how theres no alternative view presented, unlike articles in proper news outlets who present both sides of the argument and allow us to examine the facts, it comes as no surprise to learn the source of the film and their methods

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute-tricked-video-subjects-in-unstoppable-solar-cycles


oh and i love your dependency on that Fox lackey Watt - always a pleasure 

it's the wrong argument in any case - no ones denying the earth would be warming anyway (i've said on numerous occasions that we're coming out of an ice age) but the argument is that are we accelerating global warming or not? 8-)

ps - have a look at the sinister "Idea Channel" website - its like some bizarre cult  :-/

it's the wrong argument in any case - no ones denying the earth would be warming anyway (i've said on numerous occasions that we're coming out of an ice age) but the argument is that are we accelerating global warming or not


....I thought that's precisely what the doom-mongers were doing bj by stating that changes to the climate were as a result of recent human activity and not part of the natural cycle of the relationship between the sun and its dependencies.  Indeed the terrifying nature of the message seems to depend on this suggestion to ensure maximum impact.




aah - good - we can all relax now, almost all scientific studies about our affect on climate change is bogus, theres nothing we need to do about it

….far from it bj, there’s plenty to be done.  What we shouldn’t do is;

 Stunt development by various means in the hope that less activity using technology as a facilitator will rectify matters;

Promote global harmonisation on the back of these scare tactics over climate change;

Deny our people a decent standard of life by restricting their personal movements and habits by demanding their adherence to a doctrine issued by unelected officials operating from a global agenda.



very balanced scientific argument - i love how theres no alternative view presented, unlike articles in proper news outlets who present both sides of the argument and allow us to examine the facts, it comes as no surprise to learn the source of the film and their methods


Is this the balance you refer to bj?;

http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.htm

....if it is, and I would be very surprised if it were, I think I'll look elsewhere for the other factors relevant to this debate



ps - have a look at the sinister "Idea Channel" website - its like some bizarre cult  :-/

...should feel right at home with the UN and IPCC then

if it comes down to a straight debate between the UN and some free market radicals with privately funded research to make their point (using deception, misdirection and bald lies) then i've gotta go instinctively with the UN - i've never seen a single climate change doubter that isn't in the payroll of an interested party - give me your independent evidence.

anyway - as i'm sick of saying, it makes not one jot of difference either way- mankind is unable to make a decision based on anything other than greed and self-promotion

an argument i discuss in my new book "Buy This  Or the Earth Dies!" £16.99 at all good bookshops.....DVD and tour to follow 


either we won't do enough, or it won't matter - and i don't see that changing anytime soon but
i don't buy the dogma spewed by either side - i weigh up the relevant facts and decide

now....i must get back to my book 

[Banjax]

Hmmm...............interesting ....one sided view.....now ....... at least we can all sit back and use extra heat....light...etc ......etc.....with no need for any concern whatsoever.
I like the way that there was no possible alternative...it is all perfectly unambiguous.......done and dusted......everything is now clear........or perhaps Nickbat has been "cherrypicking " ...his information again.  

wash your mouth out 
how very dare you! 

[Dishevelled Den]

if it comes down to a straight debate between the UN and some free market radicals with privately funded research to make their point (using deception, misdirection and bald lies) then i've gotta go instinctively with the UN - i've never seen a single climate change doubter that isn't in the payroll of an interested party - give me your independent evidence.

anyway - as i'm sick of saying, it makes not one jot of difference either way- mankind is unable to make a decision based on anything other than greed and self-promotion

an argument i discuss in my new book "Buy This  Or the Earth Dies!" £16.99 at all good bookshops.....DVD and tour to follow 


either we won't do enough, or it won't matter - and i don't see that changing anytime soon but
i don't buy the dogma spewed by either side - i weigh up the relevant facts and decide

now....i must get back to my book 

UN and some free market radicals with privately funded research to make their point (using deception, misdirection and bald lies) then i've gotta go instinctively with the UN


...the mere fact that you refer to that 'august' body in serious terms immediately de-values the standing of your argument bj 


anyway - as i'm sick of saying, it makes not one jot of difference either way- mankind is unable to make a decision based on anything other than greed and self-promotion


  you'll get plenty of that with the UN, Annan and Gore et alibi - what?


Buy This  Or the Earth Dies!

...a sentiment lifted from the lexicon of the doom-mongers perhaps?

[Dishevelled Den]

Hmmm...............interesting ....one sided view.....now ....... at least we can all sit back and use extra heat....light...etc ......etc.....with no need for any concern whatsoever.
I like the way that there was no possible alternative...it is all perfectly unambiguous.......done and dusted......everything is now clear........or perhaps Nickbat has been "cherrypicking " ...his information again.  

wash your mouth out 
how very dare you! 

...and a very good morning to you too bj

[Nickbat]

aah - good - we can all relax now, almost all scientific studies about our affect on climate change is bogus, theres nothing we need to do about it 

very balanced scientific argument - i love how theres no alternative view presented, unlike articles in proper news outlets who present both sides of the argument and allow us to examine the facts, it comes as no surprise to learn the source of the film and their methods

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute-tricked-video-subjects-in-unstoppable-solar-cycles


oh and i love your dependency on that Fox lackey Watt - always a pleasure 



it's the wrong argument in any case - no ones denying the earth would be warming anyway (i've said on numerous occasions that we're coming out of an ice age) but the argument is that are we accelerating global warming or not? 8-)


ps - have a look at the sinister "Idea Channel" website - its like some bizarre cult  :-/

DeSmog.blog? You're having a laugh, aren't you?
 

Directly connected to that complete nutter David Suzuki. He's raving bonkers you know. 

I prefer the parody website, desoggybog.com

http://desoggybog.com/an-all-kidding-aside-critique.php

[Nickbat]

Hmmm...............interesting ....one sided view.....now ....... at least we can all sit back and use extra heat....light...etc ......etc.....with no need for any concern whatsoever.
I like the way that there was no possible alternative...it is all perfectly unambiguous.......done and dusted......everything is now clear........or perhaps Nickbat has been "cherrypicking " ...his information again.  

Just stick to the facts, if you can. Tell me where the physicist Dr Willie Soon has got it wrong.

You can't, can you?

The film does state that humankind has an effect on the environment, but that any such effect is totally dwarfed by solar influences. It's what, as scientists, they believe. Why should they state anything else?