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[Banjax]

DC wants to cut public spending?

In the middle of a recession :-?

He doesn't get it - I'm beginning to think he may be blowing his big chance 

DC wants to cut public spending?


...how can you spend what isn't there bj?
 
The true cost of Brown's mishandling of the economy will impinge upon all our collective pockets in due course but the real cost of the 'quantitive easing' policy - spending what we don't have - will prove to be a much thornier issue to deal with

without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under   


the last thing you do is cut public spending - even that right wing conspiracy fruitcake hoover realised that in the 30's in the states

i dont think DC is a bad person, he's certainly intelligent and appears compassionate - but appearing to act brave by cutting spending is exactly the opposite - he knows full well the general public will like the sound of it and he can spout off about "tough choices" and "people want the truth" all he likes - he's just playing to the crowd in my opinion.
yes, we're in masses of debt. yes Brown's light touch regulations certainly opened the floodgates to the unfettered greed of the city - brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet - what would DC have done differently? let the banks fail? he would almost certainly have left the city to its own devices, sure - now he says the Bof E should regain control - well, no S**t Sherlock 

i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments - but give him a crack at it and we'll drag this thread up in a year to see how well he's doing  8-)

And Labour were better?

we can't know for sure, but i'd imagine - based on what the tories were saying at this time last year that it was clear they had no grasp of what was happening.

of course there is an unfortunate tendency in our politics to simply attack the opposition regardless (witnessed beautifully when a tory Chris Grayling was yesterday asked about the appointment of Gen Dannatt as an adviser(to the tories), he thought he'd been appointed government adviser and tore into the decision saying it smacked of being a political gimmick) so maybe, had they been in power, smarter heads would have prevailed and they too would have avoided a depression - all i can go on is their words 

[albitz]

IIrc Gormless has spoken at every opportunity about his son,Imo its wrong for either of them to do it.
I hope you still think he was a great chancellor when you start drawing your pension - he stole it years ago.
I think Cameron is too wishy washy and left wing tbh,but without doubt the lessser of 2 evils.
I cannot understand anyone who works for a living (or who wants to) having anything good to say about Brown.

honestly albs - i don't recall Brown talking about it at all (his son has cyctic fibrosis) - it certainly never featured in any speeches

I have heard him speak on TV on the subject several times,I have also read more than one newspaper interview where he spoke on the subject.Its undignified for either of them to do it imo.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

DC reminded me of Tony Blair.....in 1996...the year before the election.....
Similar age........similar wealthy........ public school background......both good orators.....although Blair had more passion........and both Conservatives.
P.S..............I should add that I would prefer David Camerons ' wife .......rather than Cherie Blair......should I be given the choice.

he is a Blair-lite - smooth and full of promises, luckily Blair had Brown as chancellor so got to deliver on most of them - DC doesn't have that luxury - no one outside the tory party faithfull believe Georgie O is up to the job I'm afraid - especially and crucially the city 


DC did make some good points about the nanny-state and responsibility although using the tragic death of his son for political gain was at best unfortunate and crass - certainly left a bad taste, everyone knows the story so why bring it up? if you went for a job interview (which is what this is in effect) you wouldn't dredge up past tragedies too appear more human-bad taste and i'll bet he thought long and hard about it - made the wrong call in my opinion.

Agreed..........he does seem out of his depth.......he appears to be an intellectual lightweight............. and too frivalous for such an important post.......especially when you compare him to the dour penny pinching presbyterian Gordon Brown.
Gordon Brown far better as Chancellor than P.M. in my view. :-/ :-/

Sorry Optimist but you can call him many things perhaps, but you should never suggest he is an "intellectual lightweight"  As I think most will know he was educated at Eton and then read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree!!

I believe that my views about Eton . .........are well documented Lizzie...........I personally believe that William Hague should be Tory leader again.......far more "in touch with reality" than  Cameron or Osborne.  .

[albitz]

I think they should have gone for David Davis myself - he grew up on a council estate with a single mother iirc,so maybe even Banjaxx and Optimist would vote for him.
I was glad to see that we didnt have to witness the toe curling spectacle of Mrs C making a speech telling us all what a wonderful hero Dave is .
The bottom line is,he probably made the speech he needed to make to win the next election.Lets hope he turns out to have more principles and substance to him than he has shown so far - I have my doubts though.
Still UKIP for me .

[Banjax]

I think they should have gone for David Davis myself - he grew up on a council estate with a single mother iirc,so maybe even Banjaxx and Optimist would vote for him.
I was glad to see that we didnt have to witness the toe curling spectacle of Mrs C making a speech telling us all what a wonderful hero Dave is .
The bottom line is,he probably made the speech he needed to make to win the next election.Lets hope he turns out to have more principles and substance to him than he has shown so far - I have my doubts though.
Still UKIP for me .

albs - always with the jokes 

[albitz]

I must admit to being a bit surprised at how your criticism of the speech was quite civilised,I expected you to really rip into him,maybe your coming round the "right" way of thinking,just a wee bit to proud to admit it yet.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I think they should have gone for David Davis myself - he grew up on a council estate with a single mother iirc,so maybe even Banjaxx and Optimist would vote for him.
I was glad to see that we didnt have to witness the toe curling spectacle of Mrs C making a speech telling us all what a wonderful hero Dave is .
The bottom line is,he probably made the speech he needed to make to win the next election.Lets hope he turns out to have more principles and substance to him than he has shown so far - I have my doubts though.
Still UKIP for me .

Only if his mother.......... had six children.........from six different fathers...........in assorted colours Albitz....then perhaps................. I would think about it.

[Dishevelled Den]

without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under   


the last thing you do is cut public spending - even that right wing conspiracy fruitcake hoover realised that in the 30's in the states

i dont think DC is a bad person, he's certainly intelligent and appears compassionate - but appearing to act brave by cutting spending is exactly the opposite - he knows full well the general public will like the sound of it and he can spout off about "tough choices" and "people want the truth" all he likes - he's just playing to the crowd in my opinion.
yes, we're in masses of debt. yes Brown's light touch regulations certainly opened the floodgates to the unfettered greed of the city - brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet - what would DC have done differently? let the banks fail? he would almost certainly have left the city to its own devices, sure - now he says the Bof E should regain control - well, no S**t Sherlock 

i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments - but give him a crack at it and we'll drag this thread up in a year to see how well he's doing  8-)

without Q.E. the financial system would have imploded - it was drastic but brave and necessary - banks were literally refusing to give out money - something had to be done before we all went under   


...all down to a lack of leadership at the heart of this present government and that very laxity, which has resulted in our spending money we don’t have, will haunt us for the foreseeable future.  As to all of the banks going down, I'm not so sure

brown's only crime was believing in the markets - as did every other major political party in every democracy across the planet

...this was one of many of GB's failings the primary one of which was total self-belief in his ability to control matters that had run wildly out of control.

GB doesn't exist in the real world in my view, he's a theorist more in touch with the ethereal nature of policy rather than its practicalities


i hope he's as good as he says he is, i wouldn't imagine he will be - based on previous tory governments

...and with that lesson in history we should resolve never to have another Labour premier cross the threshold of Downing Street for a long time to come.

[markfree]

A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me

I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me

I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.

There are only 61 million in the UK, of which only about half(oops!) 45% are in a position to vote, and more than likely only 65% of them will do so!!

[markfree]

A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me

I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.

There are only 61 million in the UK, of which only about half(oops!) 45% are in a position to vote, and more than likely only 65% of them will do so!!

Spot on Lizzie - I was in fact to be precise (according to 2008 govt. estimates) 8,056,088 out.

Your estimate of only 45% of pop. allowed to vote seems wide of the mark as only 22% of pop. is under 18 and not allowed to vote.

Anyway the point I was trying to make is that a growing percentage of the pop. is fed up with the 2 party system.
The best thing that can happen for this country, in the long term,  is that at the next election there is a hung parliament and the lib-dems will hold the balance of power and will demand proportional representation and thus eventually we will have government by consensus

[Dishevelled Den]

A man held a gun to my head and told me to either vote for GB or DC as the next prime-minister - I told him toooooooooooooooooooo.......................shoot me

I think 69 million people in GB feel the same.

There are only 61 million in the UK, of which only about half(oops!) 45% are in a position to vote, and more than likely only 65% of them will do so!!

Spot on Lizzie - I was in fact to be precise (according to 2008 govt. estimates) 8,056,088 out.

Your estimate of only 45% of pop. allowed to vote seems wide of the mark as only 22% of pop. is under 18 and not allowed to vote.

Anyway the point I was trying to make is that a growing percentage of the pop. is fed up with the 2 party system.
The best thing that can happen for this country, in the long term,  is that at the next election there is a hung parliament and the lib-dems will hold the balance of power and will demand proportional representation and thus eventually we will have government by consensus :y

...are you sure about that MF? - be careful what you wish for  

In my experience PR results in a confused administration where minority parties attempt to punch above their weight but really only succeed in trying to make their presence relevant by prostituting their wares to the neediest client.

The LD's in my view are wholly unsuitable to hold this balance of power.  The fact that they have never been able to form an administration speaks for itself - sadly.

Furthermore, the last thing this country needs is a hung parliament - the present situation requires an administration with clear cut ideas, and a working majority, of how to stabilise the nation - not a talking shop

[albitz]

Wise words indeed from the man from the East Zulu.

[Vamps]

We need a no nonsense Government that will cut through all the crap, can anyone suggest anything better than a BNP Government, if so, why??

[Banjax]

We need a no nonsense Government that will cut through all the crap, can anyone suggest anything better than a BNP Government, if so, why??

Labour, Conservative, LibDem, Scottish Nats, Green Party, UKIP, Respect, Socialist Party, Monster Raving Loony Party - how's that for starters?

why?
so them being small minded, petty, vile racists isn't enough of a reason?? 

ok - i don't believe most of them could form a sentence, let alone a government