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[Welung666]

or have we dumbed the world down with health and safety to the point where the youth of today cant carry out thier own on the fly risk assesments!

It's not just the youth of today that are affected.
We have spent so long creating cotton wool blankets, that pretty soon even something as simple as the common cold is going to be a real threat.

What also doesn't help is this "where there is blame, there is a claim" culture.

Here's a perfect example for you.....

If you step out in front of a car and get run over, the first person we try to blame is the driver.
If however you stepped in front of a train and got run over, nobody even thinks to start trying to blame the train driver because we (rightly) accept that you should look before crossing.

Back in my day we had (among other things) the Green Cross Code advert. This was blasted at us relentlessly during every commercial break, and (unsurprisingly) it was proven to work.

What crap do we get blasted at us now?
Drivers, kill your speed, not a child.

Complete crock of shit and wholly inaccurate IMO.
Simple fact is that we are ALL responsible for ourselves and others to varying degrees, and the sooner we start repeating those kind of messages, the better off we'll be!

I agree entirely

[KillerWatt]

It should, but in the eyes of a court she was a minor and not properly supervised. What a mad world we live in  :-/

Too right we've gone mad.
By the time I turned 16, I was already a fully qualified sparks and working on building sites.
I've not checked the law recently, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to discover that 16-18 year olds can no longer work unsupervised in such environments.

[Marks DTM Calib]

gotta wonder how she thought she was gonna get her hands out! ......

Agreed!That would have been amusing .... you'd have thought. But would you have expected the plaster of Paris to get [be ]that[/be ] hot? I wouldn't  :-?

It will hit 60-70 degrees....enough to very badly scold.....and the hands would have been in there a long time

[albitz]

Arent we all assuming that this young girl was advised of the properties of plaster of Paris.If she wasnt then the school is criminally negligent to the point where some tinker needs locking up imo.Think how you would feel if it were your kid.
I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for our own actions, but a school pupil in a supposedly supervised environment could only be expected to do so if they had already been informed of the potential risks.The fact that the school didnt report such a serious incident to the HSE says a lot about their attitude to me.
As for calling this natural selection at its best,dont even get me started ffs,idiotic doesnt even begin to cover it.

[Andy B]

.....
What crap do we get blasted at us now?
Drivers, kill your speed, not a child.

Complete crock of shit and wholly inaccurate IMO.
Simple fact is that we are ALL responsible for ourselves and others to varying degrees, and the sooner we start repeating those kind of messages, the better off we'll be!

Which is exactly why you see the teenagers look you straight in the eyes as the step out into the road infront of you. They don't half shift when you momentarily accelerate though!        



apparently!!   

[Andy B]

Arent we all assuming that this young girl was advised of the properties of plaster of Paris.If she wasnt then the school is criminally negligent to the point where some tinker needs locking up imo.Think how you would feel if it were your kid.
I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for our own actions, but a school pupil in a supposedly supervised inveronment could only be expected to do so if they had already been informed of the potential risks.The fact that the school didnt report such a serious incident to the HSE syas a lot about their attitude to me.
As for calling this natural selection at its best,dont even get me started ffs,idiotic doesnt even begin to cover it.

Apprently she'd seen a lad recently cast just his fingers by putting them straight into the plaster. She was told though she'd to make a clay 'glove' and use that as a mould to make a cast of her hands.
Thinking she knew better ......

[Marks DTM Calib]

Arent we all assuming that this young girl was advised of the properties of plaster of Paris.If she wasnt then the school is criminally negligent to the point where some tinker needs locking up imo.Think how you would feel if it were your kid.
I am a firm believer in taking responsibility for our own actions, but a school pupil in a supposedly supervised inveronment could only be expected to do so if they had already been informed of the potential risks.The fact that the school didnt report such a serious incident to the HSE syas a lot about their attitude to me.
As for calling this natural selection at its best,dont even get me started ffs,idiotic doesnt even begin to cover it.

I disagree....she didn't follow instructions and still thought dumping her hands in something that sets solid was a good idea. Are you expected (not that its possible) to warn of every single possible danger!

Natural selection!

The only question mark is why it wasn't spotted by somebody supervising.

[mantahatch]

It should, but in the eyes of a court she was a minor and not properly supervised. What a mad world we live in  :-/

Too right we've gone mad.
By the time I turned 16, I was already a fully qualified sparks and working on building sites.
I've not checked the law recently, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to discover that 16-18 year olds can no longer work unsupervised in such environments.

Blimey KW, you must have been working with Edison then 

I started my apprenticeship at age 15, but was not qualified till I was 19, and consider myself to still be learning today.
I take it that sparks training is very short then ?

[Andy B]

......
The only question mark is why it wasn't spotted by somebody supervising.

And I think that's why the school is being fined.

[KillerWatt]

It should, but in the eyes of a court she was a minor and not properly supervised. What a mad world we live in  :-/

Too right we've gone mad.
By the time I turned 16, I was already a fully qualified sparks and working on building sites.
I've not checked the law recently, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to discover that 16-18 year olds can no longer work unsupervised in such environments.

Blimey KW, you must have been working with Edison then 

I started my apprenticeship at age 15, but was not qualified till I was 19, and consider myself to still be learning today.
I take it that sparks training is very short then ?

Cheeky tinker 

I'd just missed the old "5 year time served" bit, so ended up in college in 79 for the first year and achieved pass with distinction for the theory, along with pass with credit for the practical (just 1% short to get the distinction mark).

1980 saw me starting the second year (part 2), and a successful pass on that made me qualified in the eyes of the law.

Like you say though, being qualified and being able to do the job are 2 seperate entities...it was a good 3 years plus after getting my 236 before my colleagues even considered me to be in the same league as them.

Since then I've had to obtain more qualifications (basic tests really, but still bloody expensive) as the regs have been updated, but I'm now at the stage where I pretty much write my own salary cheque.

I do however still firmly believe that taking an exam isn't worth shit, and the only way to learn any trade is by hands on only.

[Pitchfork]

Of course if there was more Chemistry taught & less Fine Arts, it would have been known that heat is frequently generated as a result of a chemical reaction which is what happens when you mix Plaster of Paris with water

[Marks DTM Calib]

Of course if there was more Chemistry taught & less Fine Arts, it would have been known that heat is frequently generated as a result of a chemical reaction which is what happens when you mix Plaster of Paris with water

Indeed, an exothermic reaction!

[Andy B]

Of course if there was more Chemistry taught & less Fine Arts, it would have been known that heat is frequently generated as a result of a chemical reaction which is what happens when you mix Plaster of Paris with water

Indeed, an exothermic reaction!

Far too dangerous!!!!      

[HolyCount]

or have we dumbed the world down with health and safety to the point where the youth of today cant carry out thier own on the fly risk assesments!

It's not just the youth of today that are affected.
We have spent so long creating cotton wool blankets, that pretty soon even something as simple as the common cold is going to be a real threat.

What also doesn't help is this "where there is blame, there is a claim" culture.

Here's a perfect example for you.....

If you step out in front of a car and get run over, the first person we try to blame is the driver.
If however you stepped in front of a train and got run over, nobody even thinks to start trying to blame the train driver because we (rightly) accept that you should look before crossing.

Back in my day we had (among other things) the Green Cross Code advert. This was blasted at us relentlessly during every commercial break, and (unsurprisingly) it was proven to work.

What crap do we get blasted at us now?
Drivers, kill your speed, not a child.

Complete crock of shit and wholly inaccurate IMO.
Simple fact is that we are ALL responsible for ourselves and others to varying degrees, and the sooner we start repeating those kind of messages, the better off we'll be!

Entirely agree Killer .... we are orchestrating our own doom with a bubble wrapped society which is also, it seems, taking away the abilty ( by removing the need) to think for yourself

[jonnycool]

How many people on here would truthfully have known that if you put your hands in plaster of Paris, it would burn your hands off? I'm a reasonably smart man but I didn't bloody know that!

   Kids will always play up to some degree, something as dangerous as this should have been supervised very closely, it's like leaving a vat of acid lying around ffs!

   We were all young once, can all of you honestly say that you've never done stupid things when you were kids? This girl could never have known the risks when she put her hands in that pot, school's fault entirely