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[TheBoy]

Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population.  If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....

I know some. Though i'd like not to

Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids.  There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....

Thats a bit harsh isn't it, lets face it we all have our slack moments, its human nature, can't be perfect 100% of the time.

I agree we all have our slack moments, but too many people have too many slack moments.


The kids walking to school for example, absolutely no idea that stepping in front of a car will bloody well hurt.  A few of them need to be knocked down to remind them and their peers that they aren't always in the bubble wrap that modern day, trash tv, baby mags type parenting insists they are constantly wrapped in.

But no, instead lets ban cars - unless purely used to drive our lazy kids to school, so they will remain safe on the roads. Much easier than teaching them common bloody sense.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)

[richardirv]

Kids (& Parents) do need to be tought a lesson or 2 now and then I agree but I don't think they need to be knocked down or run over by a train to do it. There are other methods, granted not as good as it actually happening (if they survive) but I have hit a kid quite a few years ago in my 1995 Vectra (not my fault) and the emotions I went through when that happened were horrific and I would not wish it on anyone. The lad was lucky that my veccy was lowered 60mm and I braked that hard the front bumper hit the ground but as it was so low on impact he slid up the bonnet and the curved wing mirror pushed him off the side and he landed on some grass! he walked away but it could of been much worse if I was in a different car. I was shaking for days.

[TheBoy]

Kids (& Parents) do need to be tought a lesson or 2 now and then I agree but I don't think they need to be knocked down or run over by a train to do it. There are other methods, granted not as good as it actually happening (if they survive) but I have hit a kid quite a few years ago in my 1995 Vectra (not my fault) and the emotions I went through when that happened were horrific and I would not wish it on anyone. The lad was lucky that my veccy was lowered 60mm and I braked that hard the front bumper hit the ground but as it was so low on impact he slid up the bonnet and the curved wing mirror pushed him off the side and he landed on some grass! he walked away but it could of been much worse if I was in a different car. I was shaking for days.

I too have knocked someone down at speed (>25 mph), hurt him an awful lot more than it hurt me. Lessons learned.

[TheBoy]

Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)

Even many of the platforms around here - and our rail service isn't great - all slope away

[richardirv]

Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)

Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.

Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?

You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in!  :-/

[TheBoy]

Thats the current mentality of an increasing number of the population.  If the parents are that stupid, well, the kid stands no chance with the genes provided....

I know some. Though i'd like not to

Too be honest, I think we should let trains hit these parents and their kids.  There is no shortage of stupid people in the world to replace these idiots....

Thats a bit harsh isn't it, lets face it we all have our slack moments, its human nature, can't be perfect 100% of the time.

Prams have brakes.

Would you 'forget' to put your handbrake on in your car on a slight slope?  And you child is far more valuable than your car (though admittedly your car can do more damage )

[TheBoy]

Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)

Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.

Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?

You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in!  :-/

This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.

I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence.  Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.

[Jimbob]

stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved   

there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.

you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.

problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.

[richardirv]

Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)

Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.

Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?

You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in!  :-/

This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.

I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence.  Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.

You got to think about the other people that it effects, its ok saying don't spend any money on public safety but people will always do silly things that will effect other people in a massive way. Imagine how the train driver feel's. He just run over a baby, not his fault but it doesn't take away the emotions and mental issues.

[Chris_H]

I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.

The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.

I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.

There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible.  Sadly they seem to be increasing in number.  As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Part of the job, comes with the territory. Same as a traffic cop, hes going to see bits of people at some point.

We cant afford to spend silly money on trying to prevent corner case accidents!

The same could of happened on a hill on a street and the pram could have fallen in front of a lorry.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I've always been in a state of constant alert when taking kids on platforms.

The choice of taking someone to court for compensation just doesn't come anywhere close to the distress, pain, mental anguish, energy-sapping care etc. etc. that accompanies a tragic injury or loss of life.

I'm sure that I analyse situations that I find myself in far more than most other people but I am constantly amazed at how little some people think about their own responsibilities and actions.

There are quite a few out there who really seem to believe that someone else (probably their parents) are responsible.  Sadly they seem to be increasing in number.  As suggested above, that is not Darwinian. 

Which gets us back to the discussion from a few days ago of naural selection and I do wonder just how much of this is due to our stupid apporach to trying to avoid all dangers and risk.

[Chris_H]

stupid idea....so if the platform slopes towards the train, just turn the buggy round, problem solved   

there are slopes everywhere, every car park, street, etc has them.

you can't flatten everything....so years ago they invented brakes.

problem solved, and with just the tiniest amount of common sense needed.

Better idea - brakes that are 'on' until you grab the handlebars to push.

[TheBoy]

Platforms do ahve to slope away from the rails....on new build. Legacy installations, well, thats a different story! (and would we really want to spend billions changing all the legacy platforms?)

Yeah I was thinking new builds must have to be sloped.

Yes it would take billions to fix older stations but what price to you put on saving lives?

You would think there could be a cheaper alternative like fixing some kind of stopper on the edge of the platform but I suppose you would get people tripping and putting claims in!  :-/

This is one of my annoyances with 'nanny state' mentality that is slowly filtering down into society.

I don't think we should be spending lots of public money to overcome stupid people's incompitence.  Trouble is now, certain parts of society have to blame somebody else for their lack of judgement/awareness, rather than accept blame and consequences of their own actions.

You got to think about the other people that it effects, its ok saying don't spend any money on public safety but people will always do silly things that will effect other people in a massive way. Imagine how the train driver feel's. He just run over a baby, not his fault but it doesn't take away the emotions and mental issues.

And I think it's still the case that the train driver has to clean up the mess on the front? (Probably not for human, as that would need police).

So, the UK armed forces can only use blank bullets, as it may scar them to use live rounds.

Cars should be banned, as they can kill people. Trains also then banned incase some moron is stupid enough to play on the track?

Smoking should be entirely banned, as its harmful.  Along with all forms of alcohol?

Not allowed out in sunshire due to skin cancer?

Kids not allowed to playgrounds because they could fall off swings and break limbs.  Also, they are not allowed on their push bikes?

Electricity not allowed, its dangerous?



No. What we need is for people to take responsibility for their own actions.  People will always jump in front of trains, whether intentionally or not. I guess train drivers have to prepare for that, and hopefully their organisation is able to assist when it does.



And I have heard someone get mowed down by a 50mph train, and glimpsed the aftermath (I was up a telegraph pole about 100yrds away). Horrid noise that I will remember to the day I die.  I feel for the driver, and the authorities who had to clean up.   In the same way I feel for our authorities you have to clear up after car smashes etc.