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[Nickbat]

YES, I AM SHOUTING. 

I can't contain myself anymore. I really enjoy reading all the little titbits on here, everything from jokes about caravans to discussions about what we're havng for tea. I also appreciate that many of you have no interest in politics. But it's time to wake up.

What if I told you that in Copenhagen in December (if things go the way they're intended), Brown, Obama and the others will sign a treaty which will effectively give away our wealth to the developing world, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela – indeed, anywhere you care to name, as long as it's not a western industrialised country. Not only will we sign away huge amounts of our wealth, but we will also sink our economies with crippling emission reduction schemes.

This is not a joke, guys.

You can read a link here and also link to the UN's proposed treaty.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-governments-are-created-equal/

Viscount Monkton of Brenchley (who no doubt Bannjaax will try to rubbish) has even suggested that US sovereignty will be ceded if the US signs up.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/16/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-copenhagen-claims-british-lord-monckton/

Remember this is designed to take place in December in Copenhagen. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[albitz]

The mask falls from the climate change zealots ,revealing the real reason behind the religion - neo global socialism.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

YES, I AM SHOUTING. 

I can't contain myself anymore. I really enjoy reading all the little titbits on here, everything from jokes about caravans to discussions about what we're havng for tea. I also appreciate that many of you have no interest in politics. But it's time to wake up.

What if I told you that in Copenhagen in December (if things go the way they're intended), Brown, Obama and the others will sign a treaty which will effectively give away our wealth to the developing world, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela – indeed, anywhere you care to name, as long as it's not a western industrialised country. Not only will we sign away huge amounts of our wealth, but we will also sink our economies with crippling emission reduction schemes.

This is not a joke, guys. You can read a link here and also link to the UN's proposed treaty.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-governments-are-created-equal/

Viscount Monkton of Brenchley (who no doubt Bannjaax will try to rubbish) has even suggested that US sovereignty will be ceded if the US signs up.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/16/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-copenhagen-claims-british-lord-monckton/

Remember this is designed to take place in December in Copenhagen. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

So....... what is so very wrong with the wealthy countries of the world helping the less fortunate?.
Not everything in the world needs to be about profit.

As for the emissions reduction scheme......it is almost inevitable that it will come to this in the near future.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

YES, I AM SHOUTING. 

I can't contain myself anymore. I really enjoy reading all the little titbits on here, everything from jokes about caravans to discussions about what we're havng for tea. I also appreciate that many of you have no interest in politics. But it's time to wake up.

What if I told you that in Copenhagen in December (if things go the way they're intended), Brown, Obama and the others will sign a treaty which will effectively give away our wealth to the developing world, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela – indeed, anywhere you care to name, as long as it's not a western industrialised country. Not only will we sign away huge amounts of our wealth, but we will also sink our economies with crippling emission reduction schemes.

This is not a joke, guys.

You can read a link here and also link to the UN's proposed treaty.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-governments-are-created-equal/

Viscount Monkton of Brenchley (who no doubt Bannjaax will try to rubbish) has even suggested that US sovereignty will be ceded if the US signs up.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/16/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-copenhagen-claims-british-lord-monckton/

Remember this is designed to take place in December in Copenhagen. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

I have just had to Google this guy..... ......climate change sceptic.....big time...Not a major authority in my view.

[Dishevelled Den]

So....... what is so very wrong with the wealthy countries of the world helping the less fortunate?.
Not everything in the world needs to be about profit.

As for the emissions reduction scheme......it is almost inevitable that it will come to this in the near future.

....everything Optio, when the proposals suggest that this 'help' will impinge in a prejudicial manner on the wellbeing of those in the developed nations.

Furthermore it never ceases to amaze me that irrespective of the apparent poverty, depravation and lack of opportunity in these 'disadvantaged’ nations the ruling elite always seem to be well catered for.

Funds diverted for the proposed purposes of helping such nations invariably find their way into the coffers of the ruling elite.  Just examine the track record of any branch of the UN in this regard.

[Dishevelled Den]

I have just had to Google this guy..... ......climate change sceptic.....big time...Not a major authority in my view.

...who would be such an authority then Optio - in your view?

[Dishevelled Den]

YES, I AM SHOUTING.(

....and I will amplify that cry


I can see the totality of this threat but the majority won't and will declare the articles as fanciful paranoia.  They are far from it.

Any one who sits down to think about the state of the planet at the moment can't fail to see that there is a subtle change being made to the present convention.

With the global nature of commerce, finance and more importantly communications, national borders have become less of a restrictive factor.  That is the back door through which any attempt to establish a more cohesive global movement will be made.


People do need to be informed but it does seem that contrary arguments are slowly beginning to be disseminated to a sleeping populace however it will be an up hill task as the international establishment has stolen a march in the propaganda stakes.


Globalisation is the new nationalism, and it’s being made possible through scare tactics over economic problems, security problems and concern for the environment.  It’s such an audacious and elegant project if it weren’t so threatening to personal liberty.

[Nickbat]

YES, I AM SHOUTING. 

I can't contain myself anymore. I really enjoy reading all the little titbits on here, everything from jokes about caravans to discussions about what we're havng for tea. I also appreciate that many of you have no interest in politics. But it's time to wake up.

What if I told you that in Copenhagen in December (if things go the way they're intended), Brown, Obama and the others will sign a treaty which will effectively give away our wealth to the developing world, North Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela – indeed, anywhere you care to name, as long as it's not a western industrialised country. Not only will we sign away huge amounts of our wealth, but we will also sink our economies with crippling emission reduction schemes.

This is not a joke, guys. You can read a link here and also link to the UN's proposed treaty.

http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/all-governments-are-created-equal/

Viscount Monkton of Brenchley (who no doubt Bannjaax will try to rubbish) has even suggested that US sovereignty will be ceded if the US signs up.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/16/obama-poised-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-copenhagen-claims-british-lord-monckton/

Remember this is designed to take place in December in Copenhagen. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

So....... what is so very wrong with the wealthy countries of the world helping the less fortunate?.
Not everything in the world needs to be about profit.

As for the emissions reduction scheme......it is almost inevitable that it will come to this in the near future.

"The price tag for a new climate agreement will be a staggering $100 billion a year by 2020, many economists estimate; some put the cost at closer to $1 trillion. That money is needed to help fast-developing countries like India and Brazil convert to costly but cleaner technologies as they industrialize, as well as to assist the poorest countries in coping with the consequences of climate change, like droughts and rising seas."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/science/earth/15climate.html?_r=4&hpw

There are NO consequences of climate change like rising sea levels and drought that require such sums of money. Name one.

As for saying "what is so very wrong with the wealthy countries of the world helping the less fortunate", have you checked out the amount of foreign aid that we (the Western industrialised) cough up each year?

Look if you want a socialist one-world government, then come out and say it. I don't and I never will. 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

So....... what is so very wrong with the wealthy countries of the world helping the less fortunate?.
Not everything in the world needs to be about profit.

As for the emissions reduction scheme......it is almost inevitable that it will come to this in the near future.

....everything Optio, when the proposals suggest that this 'help' will impinge in a prejudicial manner on the wellbeing of those in the developed nations.

Furthermore it never ceases to amaze me that irrespective of the apparent poverty, depravation and lack of opportunity in these 'disadvantaged’ nations the ruling elite always seem to be well catered for.

Funds diverted for the proposed purposes of helping such nations invariably find their way into the coffers of the ruling elite.  Just examine the track record of any branch of the UN in this regard.

Agreed Zulu......I take it ...........that you are speaking of corruption (....or human nature as I prefer to call it)
But in my opinion .......it would be an even more unsatisfactory alternative to do nothing.

[Entwood]

Although I won't get into the climate change debate .... I will comment on the "overseas development" part ..

In my previous employment I traveled extensively in both Africa and India, as well as many other parts of the world.. but I'll stick with those 2 for now. They both recieve an enormous amount of "aid" money from the UK Government and Charities... who, for reasons known only to themselves .. deal with the distribution in totally different ways.

Charities usually have a focused target and a small team to reach that target. The Government, for some unknown reason, refuse to "dictate" how the money is ACTUALLY spent (it is asked for a specific project .. but no checks are made) as this would "impinge on the sovreignty of the nation" ('dangle berries' !)

Thus the governement money is spent on, for example ... an "infrastructure project" .. which is actually a 7 mile dual carriage way from the rulers palace to the airport .. no other access roads or anything ... 7 miles for 1 man ... but of course his "entourage" is a dozen vehicles.

In most of these countries there is no "middle class" at all .. there are the poor and the rich and the rich control the money and ensure they get the majority of it.

Pigs in troughs comes to mind.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I have just had to Google this guy..... ......climate change sceptic.....big time...Not a major authority in my view.

...who would be such an authority then Optio - in your view?

Not a single individual... Zulu..........but we have a choice between thirty years ........or more.....of eminent scientists.....and climatologists......looking into global warming.....or......Nickbats lot.
I 'am quite willing to be proved wrong however.

[Dishevelled Den]

Agreed Zulu......I take it ...........that you are speaking of corruption (....or human nature as I prefer to call it)
But in my opinion .......it would be an even more unsatisfactory alternative to do nothing.

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...a natural consequence of the method of governance in those nations but it also is a result of rank mismanagement, lack of imagination, closeted thinking and blind acceptance of the status quo by those charged by such august bodies as the UN with disseminating funds to help those in need.

Rather than pump endless funds into the dubious economies of 'underprivileged' nations I would have thought that the UN would have been better placed to strive to seek a more professional, caring and responsible administration in each of such nations.

[Nickbat]

I have just had to Google this guy..... ......climate change sceptic.....big time...Not a major authority in my view.

...who would be such an authority then Optio - in your view?

Not a single individual... Zulu..........but we have a choice between thirty years ........or more.....of eminent scientists.....and climatologists......looking into global warming.....or......Nickbats lot.
I 'am quite willing to be proved wrong however.

You will be. But, by then it may well be too late. 

[Nickbat]

Agreed Zulu......I take it ...........that you are speaking of corruption (....or human nature as I prefer to call it)
But in my opinion .......it would be an even more unsatisfactory alternative to do nothing.

...a natural consequence of the method of governance in those nations but it also is a result of rank mismanagement, lack of imagination, closeted thinking and blind acceptance of the status quo by those charged by such august bodies as the UN with disseminating funds to help those in need.

Rather than pump endless funds into the dubious economies of 'underprivileged' nations I would have thought that the UN would have been better placed to strive to seek a more professional, caring and responsible administration in each of such nations.[/quote]



August...and corrupt..

[Dishevelled Den]

I have just had to Google this guy..... ......climate change sceptic.....big time...Not a major authority in my view.

...who would be such an authority then Optio - in your view?

Not a single individual... Zulu..........but we have a choice between thirty years ........or more.....of eminent scientists.....and climatologists......looking into global warming.....or......Nickbats lot.
I 'am quite willing to be proved wrong however.

...working to who's agenda I wonder Optio :-/ :-/