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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #15 on: 17 June 2009, 23:00:27 »
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Can you not just buy it legally anyway? Internet or ebay :)
Yes you can mate, trouble is that certain manufacturers like to dictate just exactly what region games your machine can play....ergo, price fixing in my book.
obviously, the legal way to boycot that is to not use the game/film/music/software
Bang on, but you try telling a couple of kids (one with a moderate mental disability) that they can't have a 360/Wii/PS and see what happens.

The manufacturers have us by the gonads and they know it....so it's obvious what will happen, and then they have the front to complain about it.

If you're gonna push a dog in to a corner, then show it a way out otherwise it will bite your backside ;)
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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #16 on: 17 June 2009, 23:02:36 »
Ok - I am assisting someone with an Unfair Selection for Redundancy Case.

The company in question is N G Bailey
http://www.ngbailey.com

If anybody has any information or knows anyone who may have info that could be relevant then please PM me - please do not put anything on the open forum. The info I am looking for is similar employment issues in very broad terms - do we know of any disputes involving this company?
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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #17 on: 17 June 2009, 23:03:33 »
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Can you not just buy it legally anyway? Internet or ebay :)
Yes you can mate, trouble is that certain manufacturers like to dictate just exactly what region games your machine can play....ergo, price fixing in my book.
obviously, the legal way to boycot that is to not use the game/film/music/software
Bang on, but you try telling a couple of kids (one with a moderate mental disability) that they can't have a 360/Wii/PS and see what happens.

The manufacturers have us by the gonads and they know it....so it's obvious what will happen, and then they have the front to complain about it.

If you're gonna push a dog in to a corner, then show it a way out otherwise it will bite your backside ;)
probably like yourself, i was brought up in a different era.  Not that we had the money, but even if we did, if I tried pester power on my parents, it would invariably hurt my ear/backside/back of my legs....
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« Reply #18 on: 17 June 2009, 23:12:49 »
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probably like yourself, i was brought up in a different era.  Not that we had the money, but even if we did, if I tried pester power on my parents, it would invariably hurt my ear/backside/back of my legs....
We are the same age (give or take a few months), so I know exactly what you mean (and you probably know exactly what I think of the world as well).

Thing is though, times have changed.
Don't get me wrong, I am staunch in that I tell my kids twice....and the third time they get the backhander.
Any do-gooder has a problem with that, then they can look after the kids when they become delinquents with no respect....but while the kids are in my care, they will learn the basics of life (respect your elders, don't f**k about with people, and treat others the way you wanna be treated yourself).

I know the way we were brought up didn't hurt us, but I think (sometimes) things could have been done slightly better IMO.
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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #19 on: 18 June 2009, 06:15:27 »
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Ok - I am assisting someone with an Unfair Selection for Redundancy Case.

The company in question is N G Bailey
http://www.ngbailey.com

If anybody has any information or knows anyone who may have info that could be relevant then please PM me - please do not put anything on the open forum. The info I am looking for is similar employment issues in very broad terms - do we know of any disputes involving this company?

ACAS just love anything like that.
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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #20 on: 18 June 2009, 06:23:45 »
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probably like yourself, i was brought up in a different era.  Not that we had the money, but even if we did, if I tried pester power on my parents, it would invariably hurt my ear/backside/back of my legs....
We are the same age (give or take a few months), so I know exactly what you mean (and you probably know exactly what I think of the world as well).

Thing is though, times have changed.
Don't get me wrong, I am staunch in that I tell my kids twice....and the third time they get the backhander.
Any do-gooder has a problem with that, then they can look after the kids when they become delinquents with no respect....but while the kids are in my care, they will learn the basics of life (respect your elders, don't f**k about with people, and treat others the way you wanna be treated yourself).

I know the way we were brought up didn't hurt us, but I think (sometimes) things could have been done slightly better IMO.

Good on you, but it's a shame they probably won't be able to string two words together without using foul language :(
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« Reply #21 on: 18 June 2009, 06:48:44 »
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Good on you, but it's a shame they probably won't be able to string two words together without using foul language :(
The eldest has Tourette's anyway, and given my common use of words (always in context mind) that some consider to be "foul", it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if I was deemed to officially have it as well.
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« Reply #22 on: 18 June 2009, 07:12:56 »
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Ok - I am assisting someone with an Unfair Selection for Redundancy Case.

The company in question is N G Bailey
http://www.ngbailey.com

If anybody has any information or knows anyone who may have info that could be relevant then please PM me - please do not put anything on the open forum. The info I am looking for is similar employment issues in very broad terms - do we know of any disputes involving this company?

I know nothing of the company, hence my two penneth on open forum!

Having had a quick looky at their website, they're quite a biggish company, is there a union involved with their business that your friend is a member of? if not, it may be worth approaching such a union, they will likely help.  Also, there will be the right to an appeals process, has there been an appeal, if not, why not.  Tell your friend to stand up for his rights (In the words of the great and late Bob Marley). Some companys achieve the outcome of their selection by filling out a sheet, which scores points for every eventuality covered, attendance, productivity communication skills (i.e. Has he pi55ed anyone off) and many, many more categories.  If the later, how has he faired in that?

The other angle from my point of view is, take the money and run, assuming it's a worthwhile sum that is.  Lets face it, it's redundancy not dismissal  ;)  That means he'll get another job with a glowing CV rather than a soiled one, if you get my drift :)

I personally took a voluntary redundancy in March, setting up alone, haven't looked back just yet!  But, the way that BT / Openreach are treating their staff, it's as well I've left, because I would have got the sack ;D ;D ;D  Strong views and opinions, me!!!

Good Luck to your friend :y

Keep us informed..

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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #23 on: 18 June 2009, 19:05:26 »
Not a union situation - it is a little complicated and revolves around how you apply the criteria that are set to decide who stays and who goes.

Will see how it develops
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« Reply #24 on: 19 June 2009, 05:44:39 »
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Not a union situation - it is a little complicated and revolves around how you apply the criteria that are set to decide who stays and who goes.

Will see how it develops

Still worth contacting ACAS for an informal chat.
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« Reply #25 on: 19 June 2009, 05:55:00 »
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Not a union situation - it is a little complicated and revolves around how you apply the criteria that are set to decide who stays and who goes.

Will see how it develops

Still worth contacting ACAS for an informal chat.

That's my point :y  Even legal advice on an insurance policy could be considered too...  ;)
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Not a union situation - it is a little complicated and revolves around how you apply the criteria that are set to decide who stays and who goes.

Will see how it develops

Still worth contacting ACAS for an informal chat.
Spoke to ACAS who were not much help as it is complicated. They spent most of the time telling me how stressful Employment Tribunals can be - I didn't bother to tell then I had been there twice before helping other mates out. I will have to talk to a top brief on the fundamental legal point. If I get confidence on that then will press on.
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Re: Unfair selection for redundancy
« Reply #27 on: 20 July 2009, 16:58:14 »
Just an update - which might help others - went through the home insurance policy and guess what? He is insured for legal expenses up to £100,000 and employment disputes is one of the insured categories. Sent off an outline of case and insurance have agreed to refer it to a solicitor at their expense. They might of course say that the case is not good but I feel better that we try rather than just give up on basis of uncertainty of whether the selection was unfair or not.
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« Reply #28 on: 20 July 2009, 18:06:31 »
Good luck with that one.
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« Reply #29 on: 20 July 2009, 21:52:48 »
Only way of taking it to a tribunal is if you can prove that the criteria was not carried out in accordance to the law ... VERY difficult to prove ... tried a couple of years ago ... without success ... good luck and keep us informed
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