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[albitz]

very interesting so far. ...............Its reporting on the proposal that car drivers should be at fault in any accident involving cyclists.

[rob in gib]

wanted to watch that but wife wont miss her bloody soaps

so does this mean anybody who fancies a few grand can jump on a bike ride into the side of me and then claim compo   

[Gaffers]

Missed it, waiting for it to come onto ITV Player.

I doubt it Rob, have a read of the article on Tonight programme 

[KillerWatt]

very interesting so far. ...............Its reporting on the proposal that car drivers should be at fault in any accident involving cyclists.

Been that way for cyclists as well as moped riders in France for quite some time.

[Gaffers]

very interesting so far. ...............Its reporting on the proposal that car drivers should be at fault in any accident involving cyclists.

Been that way for cyclists as well as moped riders in France for quite some time.

France is slightly different than most other Europeans countries where the cyclist is king.  In France the pedestrian is king (even on the motorway!)

When I lived in Paris I was cycling down a road that crossed the Champs Elysées and being a cycling nut I was doing about 25mph as you do.  A german tourist ran out into the traffic well in front of me to cross the road but chickened out and turned back.  He was hidden by the car to my left and he though once clear of the car he was safe.

Needless to say he needed stitches, I needed a new wheel and forks.  The police held me at fault, when I asked why they just shrugged and said "Because you are on a bike and he is on foot, simple"

Even though there was nothing I could do and he was the one acting irresponsibly, I was to blame.

Lesson learnt 

[TheBoy]

Few European countries have that rule - any accident involving a bicycle (not motorbike) and a powered vehicle, its the vehicle driver's fault. No ifs/buts, end of.   Its unclear if that is still the case if the car driver is not in the car (parked).


To me, it breaks a fundamental rule - blame should be put on the person responsible for the accident, not on a previously predecided party. Prejudice, I thought, was banned in this country.


Whilst I'm the first to admit that many car drivers are arrogant tosspots who think they can do what they like because the lazy tossers get up too late to get to work on time (a particular hate of mine is the smartarse beemer drivers who go all the way around small rounadbouts because they are too effing lazy to queue in left lane), they have been tested to be able to drive to a minimum standard before being allowed unsupervised on the public highway.  Cyclists should have to do likewise.

We have a generation of kids now who have no road sense, as they have been molly-coddled by this bubble-wrap, modern parenting. Is it any wonder they get knocked down.

[TheBoy]

very interesting so far. ...............Its reporting on the proposal that car drivers should be at fault in any accident involving cyclists.

Been that way for cyclists as well as moped riders in France for quite some time.

France is slightly different than most other Europeans countries where the cyclist is king.  In France the pedestrian is king (even on the motorway!)

When I lived in Paris I was cycling down a road that crossed the Champs Elysées and being a cycling nut I was doing about 25mph as you do.  A german tourist ran out into the traffic well in front of me to cross the road but chickened out and turned back.  He was hidden by the car to my left and he though once clear of the car he was safe.

Needless to say he needed stitches, I needed a new wheel and forks.  The police held me at fault, when I asked why they just shrugged and said "Because you are on a bike and he is on foot, simple"

Even though there was nothing I could do and he was the one acting irresponsibly, I was to blame.

Lesson learnt 

Shame you didn't kill the prat - he wouldn't do it again.

Survival of the fittest

[KillerWatt]

Few European countries have that rule - any accident involving a bicycle (not motorbike) and a powered vehicle, its the vehicle driver's fault. No ifs/buts, end of.   Its unclear if that is still the case if the car driver is not in the car (parked).


To me, it breaks a fundamental rule - blame should be put on the person responsible for the accident, not on a previously predecided party. Prejudice, I thought, was banned in this country.


Whilst I'm the first to admit that many car drivers are arrogant tosspots who think they can do what they like because the lazy tossers get up too late to get to work on time (a particular hate of mine is the smartarse beemer drivers who go all the way around small rounadbouts because they are too effing lazy to queue in left lane), they have been tested to be able to drive to a minimum standard before being allowed unsupervised on the public highway.  Cyclists should have to do likewise.

We have a generation of kids now who have no road sense, as they have been molly-coddled by this bubble-wrap, modern parenting. Is it any wonder they get knocked down.

Bang on the money about everything there 

[Martin_1962]

If i hit an unlit bike riding out in front of me at night - it is HIS fault not mine

[Tony H]

If the car driver is automatically at fault can you imagine the amount of where there's blame there's a claim Kamikasi  cyclists that would take advantage. Plus you know who would pay for it through increased insurance premiums

[albitz]

Few European countries have that rule - any accident involving a bicycle (not motorbike) and a powered vehicle, its the vehicle driver's fault. No ifs/buts, end of.   Its unclear if that is still the case if the car driver is not in the car (parked).


To me, it breaks a fundamental rule - blame should be put on the person responsible for the accident, not on a previously predecided party. Prejudice, I thought, was banned in this country.


Whilst I'm the first to admit that many car drivers are arrogant tosspots who think they can do what they like because the lazy tossers get up too late to get to work on time (a particular hate of mine is the smartarse beemer drivers who go all the way around small rounadbouts because they are too effing lazy to queue in left lane), they have been tested to be able to drive to a minimum standard before being allowed unsupervised on the public highway.  Cyclists should have to do likewise.

We have a generation of kids now who have no road sense, as they have been molly-coddled by this bubble-wrap, modern parenting. Is it any wonder they get knocked down.

Bang on the money about everything there 

Agree completely.Wouldnt be surprised if it happens though.Cyclists have green credentials,car drivers are judged as something lower than muggers and burglars these days,and the law and justice seem to be distant relatives more with each passing year.

[Martin_1962]

In Worcester some one WILL get done for this.

So far

1) Chav crosses road on chavcycle and stops infront of the car in front of me to force them to stop.

2) Chav crosses road in front of me without stopping - chav got annoyed with my comments. Chav was having with an ambulance later as I think he had knocked a pedestrian over.

3) Moron got annoyed with me calling him a W***er and to buy some lights when it was dark and he just negotiated a roundabout without being hit.

4) Moron on A422 found new position of leg on verge bike at 45deg absolutely terrified expression when just avoided being hit by works landlords Jaguar. I was following and saw the night time no light rider get terrified.

2 days later noticed him under a lit section - no lights.

As you see why should law abiding drivers have to deal with law breaking chavs and stupid gits with no lights.

I hate cyclists who break all these laws . Should I congratulatel the cyclist lit up like a Christmas tree I see down the lanes as he is very visible!

[Martin_1962]

Years ago - crossing a pedestrian crossing under a green man moroncycle comes bowling through and took exception to me threatening to kick him off his bike next time.

Hmm 5 examples off the top of my head - all males - all small brained and 2 were definate chavs.

[Andy B]

Years ago - crossing a pedestrian crossing under a green man moroncycle comes bowling through and took exception to me threatening to kick him off his bike next time.

Hmm 5 examples off the top of my head - all males - all small brained and 2 were definate chavs.

Have you ever considered an anger management course Martin?             

[Martin_1962]

Years ago - crossing a pedestrian crossing under a green man moroncycle comes bowling through and took exception to me threatening to kick him off his bike next time.

Hmm 5 examples off the top of my head - all males - all small brained and 2 were definate chavs.

Have you ever considered an anger management course Martin?             

Not when I nearly get run over by an idiot no.