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[TheBoy]

Anyone know, or even used an alternative to ebay?

Used that Auctiva for listing, it linked up to your ebay listings............they even started charging to use that. Was that in some way connected to ebay?

Mick

I think the next biggest is Ebid, but even they're a minnow compared to fleeceBay.

I stopped selling on fleeceBay years ago when they/PayPal decided they didn't want to pay UK tax and abide by UK laws by shifting their accounts to Luxembourg. I closed my Pay-an-arm-and-a-leg-in-feesPal account - so when they stipulated all listings to offer PayPal as payment method, and stopped negative feedback for dodgy buyers that was it as far as I was concerned.

We have a car-boot within half mile of us so just use that when we need to.

You don't have to use Paypal, you can use any clearing house you like.  Buyers want to use cards/bank accounts, rather than cock about with cheques and POs.

As a merchant service, Paypal are as competitive as many bank's own merchant service.  Where Paypal is not so good (just like most merchant services) is micropayments.

[Martin_1962]

I usually up the postage on auction items to cover listing fees and start price to cover paypal fees

[TheBoy]

I usually up the postage on auction items to cover listing fees and start price to cover paypal fees

As a buyer, I perfer to see all the money go on the item, with free delivery offered.  Eg, I'd rather buy and item for £5 with free delivery than £2.50 with £2.50 delivery for same item, as I get more cashback that way

[HolyCount]

Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.


Mick

See my earlier comments on this thread:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new


Ebay 

Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!

Mick

Which is my pet gripe.

Why cant they seperate the shops/but it now's and let the rest stay as an auction as it was intened.


Bring back ebase5, was far superior to ebay, and up to the point of it being shut down I had never used or wanted to use ebay.   :-/

I disagree - I reckon the changes are helping the person just wishing to sell bits and bobs, rather than the 'amateur pros' and the true traders.  But under the new regime, buyers are the kings (which is good for everyone).

I disagree that it's good for everyone. In the case of ebay they have created a dodgy buyers charter, whereby any buyer can claim non receipt and they get refunded without any investigation, even if recorded delivery is used ("that's not my signature!" ).

We are small time traders and fill about 50 orders a week via ebay and the same (at the mo) via the website .... guess where we get 100% of the hassle from ...... ebayers !!!! Yet both get the exact same service, sent the exact same way. How come it's only ebay parcels that get lost !??

On top of that, ebayers always seem to want the parcel to arrive the day BEFORE they make the purchase   

[Pete Elite]

I noticed this when i tried to sell some books recently so just wrote in the description section the P&P charge and to ignore the free P&P stated above .

 I can only assume eBay are doing this because they have realised they dropped a clanger offering no insertion fees for items listed at £0.99 starting prices. conning gits .

[cruisetopoland]

I usually up the postage on auction items to cover listing fees and start price to cover paypal fees

You've not done this for a while then-one of the complainers (me included) points is that ebay are now limiting postage amounts, and even setting the maximum as FREE on certain categories.  The regular users are complaining about the NEW rules!!!

[cruisetopoland]

Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.


Mick

See my earlier comments on this thread:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new


Ebay 

Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!

Mick

Which is my pet gripe.

Why cant they seperate the shops/but it now's and let the rest stay as an auction as it was intened.


Bring back ebase5, was far superior to ebay, and up to the point of it being shut down I had never used or wanted to use ebay.   :-/

I disagree - I reckon the changes are helping the person just wishing to sell bits and bobs, rather than the 'amateur pros' and the true traders.  But under the new regime, buyers are the kings (which is good for everyone).

I disagree that it's good for everyone. In the case of ebay they have created a dodgy buyers charter, whereby any buyer can claim non receipt and they get refunded without any investigation, even if recorded delivery is used ("that's not my signature!" ).

We are small time traders and fill about 50 orders a week via ebay and the same (at the mo) via the website .... guess where we get 100% of the hassle from ...... ebayers !!!! Yet both get the exact same service, sent the exact same way. How come it's only ebay parcels that get lost !??

On top of that, ebayers always seem to want the parcel to arrive the day BEFORE they make the purchase   

COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF 

I used to do loads of 'bay, but the new emphasis on buyers, the enforced mail prices coupled with buyers who are wholly unrealistic and try to fiddle you at every stage because they know they can get off scott-free without anyone knowing, now puts me off.

As TB says, you don't have to use it, but what was a great, fair way to deal is now so biased towards the buyers, the seller, acting fairly, loses out.

As there is no alternative, people will use it-begrudgingly.

[Ken T]

Unfortuantely sometimes buyers take advantage of the rules which I think drives sellers away. I recently sold a Weller soldering station, in good nick I had been using it for 5-6 years with no problems. I shipped it, the buyer then emailed back to say it wasn't working and wanted a refund. I said send the iron back and I'll get it fixed, but no he wanted a refund. He started a Paypal claim which ruled in his favour so back it came and the dosh was refunded. I then got an email saying that if I paid his return postage he wouldn't leave -ve feedback. Yeah right. Ebay won't refund the final value fee, so I got a broken iron, -ve feedback and its cost me £14 for the privilege. In response to emails to them they are full of crap like "as your goods were damaged complain to the authorities", but refund the listing fee, well they haven't responded to that question.

Ebay is too big and trying to run things things according to an inflexible sequence of steps, which doesn't work. Transactions aren't always cut and dried, they don't adequately cater for problems.

Ken

[Mr Skrunts]

I dont sell a thing on Ebay after a muppet tried on with me selling a laptop yeqars ago, because of it I will only ever buy from ebay.

As much as I sympathise with every comment so far from sellers, I have to admit that not all sellers are equal.

Some do blatantly over charge on postage and packing, like a fiver for a DVD film in a case and stuffed in a jiffy bag, the only time I have found these were worth buying is when they were listed to end in the early hours and no one bid on thier 1p start item, so total coast £5.01

I hate being charged for insurance and it gets sent 2nd class normal post.

Same as above I pay for 1st and get 2nd class.


I also think some sellers just dont send the small items and hope they get forgotton about.

I hate leaving bad feedback, and would love to give them a glowing report, but some, sdaly only have thierslevs to blame.

[cruisetopoland]

I dont sell a thing on Ebay after a muppet tried on with me selling a laptop yeqars ago, because of it I will only ever buy from ebay.

As much as I sympathise with every comment so far from sellers, I have to admit that not all sellers are equal.

Some do blatantly over charge on postage and packing, like a fiver for a DVD film in a case and stuffed in a jiffy bag, the only time I have found these were worth buying is when they were listed to end in the early hours and no one bid on thier 1p start item, so total coast £5.01

I hate being charged for insurance and it gets sent 2nd class normal post.

Same as above I pay for 1st and get 2nd class.


I also think some sellers just dont send the small items and hope they get forgotton about.

I hate leaving bad feedback, and would love to give them a glowing report, but some, sdaly only have thierslevs to blame.

So if you had bad service you would leave -ve feedback; fair's fair-this would warn other buyers.

What about us sellers who get very stupid buyers who take the mick and give us endless often fraudulent problems; we can't give -ve feedback to them and warn other sellers.
We are just held to ransom over them giving us +ve feedback.

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid system   

[cruisetopoland]

I dont sell a thing on Ebay after a muppet tried on with me selling a laptop yeqars ago, because of it I will only ever buy from ebay.

As much as I sympathise with every comment so far from sellers, I have to admit that not all sellers are equal.

Some do blatantly over charge on postage and packing, like a fiver for a DVD film in a case and stuffed in a jiffy bag, the only time I have found these were worth buying is when they were listed to end in the early hours and no one bid on thier 1p start item, so total coast £5.01

I hate being charged for insurance and it gets sent 2nd class normal post.

Same as above I pay for 1st and get 2nd class.


I also think some sellers just dont send the small items and hope they get forgotton about.

I hate leaving bad feedback, and would love to give them a glowing report, but some, sdaly only have thierslevs to blame.

So if you had bad service you would leave -ve feedback; fair's fair-this would warn other buyers.

What about us sellers who get very stupid buyers who take the mick and give us endless often fraudulent problems; we can't give -ve feedback to them and warn other sellers.
We are just held to ransom over them giving us +ve feedback.

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid system   

Just read this back...

What I mean is it should be a level playing field where fair ebayers (sellers and buyers) are recognised and bad ones publicised for all to see and make their own judgement.

This is no longer the case-buyers hold all the cards now, which is wrong.

[Kevin Wood]

Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.

I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.

Kevin

[cruisetopoland]

Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.

I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.

Kevin

Yeah, agreed.
Shame though, as I used to enjoy things as they were, when I used to buy random stuff (eg die cast models) just to sell it on ebay to assist collectors trying to find it.  Not much profit but nice hobby and the buyers were very happy.
Not worth the hassle any more.

I wonder if the global advertising revenue outweighs the loss of disgruntled sellers giving up paying small fees, per chance 

It is alway about money 

[SJKOO01]

Just closed my ebay & PayPal account today as fed up with the increased fees, etc, and the fact as a seller I've only got the option of positive or leave feed back later choice ?.

Like people have said you don't have to use it, or use it begrudgingly.
Problem is there are a lot of complainers of ebay, and telling them about it. Where as I think what a lot of people should be doing is is like you would with a physical shop, if the service isn't good you go else where and till they learn that they need to change their act.  Same really needs to be done by demonstrating to ebay by people closing their accounts.  Once ebay start getting the gist that their customer base is starting to disappear as account holders are not happy they may change.

And as to the comments that ebay are doing something about it, and good on them protecting the buyers, yes this is good, but if they only protect the buyers, and only buyers are on there due to the way things are going, what are they going to do when the sellers disappear ?.

Do I regreat closing my ebay account, nope.

[Martin_1962]

Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.

I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.

Kevin

We now do a car boot sale every 6 months or so