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[Marks DTM Calib]

Bill, is there some hidden agenda as to why he needs to get off e.g. already got a load of points, loss of job etc?

The hassle of going to court, involving scum lawyers etc is just not worth it for 60 quid and 3 points when in reality, he was probably in the wrong?

[Lazydocker]

Bill, is there some hidden agenda as to why he needs to get off e.g. already got a load of points, loss of job etc?

The hassle of going to court, involving scum lawyers etc is just not worth it for 60 quid and 3 points when in reality, he was probably in the wrong?

3 Points which, in reality, make no difference to Hire companies or most insurers.... I wouldn't bother

[hotel21]

In summation, heres my take on it.

Your son was detected driving at 44 mph at someplace by means of a hand held device - radaror laser, whatever, in his taxicab.

Cop(s) got into their vehicle and stopped him some distance away at some other town, hence the following him for a mile and a half bit....

Ticket reads as the location of him speeding, not where he was stopped.

Whether the location on the ticket is exact to the n'th degree is, in the greater scheme of things, probably somewhat immaterial but is worth some consideration if the three points are extremely important to him.

personal experience - Taxi drivers always got some (speeding) leeway from me (and others) when they were getting the drunks away home in the early hours but as long as they did not take the mickey by not paying attention.  the police cars are quite obvious these days by their reflective markings.  If he cannot see one of them, what chance does he have of seeing a drunk staggerring up the road in dark clothing??

The rain was chucking it down last night and the road had quite a lot of standing water.By son's not a boy racer,never been stopped for speeding or even killed a fly before this.

I suspect that perhaps Dad is getting sons somewhat distilled version of reality, both as regards the stop in question and as to whether he has NEVER broken the speed limit before...   

[KillerWatt]

Personally I'd just put my hands up and take the fine/points... I know I'm not an angel and I do speed sometimes (NOT in built up areas normally but have the occasional lapse )

I doubt for one minute there is one single driver that can honestly stand up and say they have never exceeded a posted speed limit.

[PhilRich]

he said he will pass the ticket to his superintendent pointing out his error 

Was this a PC?

If so - I cannot see him going directly to the super over a speeding ticket query!!!

No he was a traffic Sargent.Chichester's a bit funny even the super walks the streets.

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Bloody hell! where I am, the only things that walk the streets at that time are stray dogs, wolves, and 'ladies of the night', (in no particular order of seniority). You NEVER see a copper police constable on foot EVER at night, & rarely in daylight for that matter. As for Supers & above, I don't think they know their way out of the nick other than via the garage gate . BTW, sod to taking it on the chin, if he can get off on a 'technicality', then good for him. If the Law can't get it right, why should we give them any leeway?

[Selseybill]

Bill, is there some hidden agenda as to why he needs to get off e.g. already got a load of points, loss of job etc?

The hassle of going to court, involving scum lawyers etc is just not worth it for 60 quid and 3 points when in reality, he was probably in the wrong?

There is no so called hidden agenda.
He doesn't mind paying £60 if he was speeding but it's turns out this part of the road is in a 50mph limit.
He has never had points on his licence and as he works for me,i would not sack him for 3 points.

I have contacted our lawyer this morning who has confirmed(as he travels this road where my son was stopped everyday) the road has a 50 mph limit not a 30 or 40mph.
Also confirmed by the Sussex highways office.
As for lack of wrong location the Chief Inspector Kim Hudson at Chichester whom i know very well has confirmed the ticket must have the exact road,junction or something to identify the point of the stop not a area 3-5 miles down the road hence making the ticket null and void as there is no way to confirm what speed limit was in force at the time of stopping . He also stated the courts would throw the case out due to this fact and also agreed the road has a 50 mph limit. So by doing 44mph in a 50mph limit there is no case. 

[Selseybill]

i suspect that perhaps Dad is getting sons somewhat distilled version of reality, both as regards the stop in question and as to whether he has NEVER broken the speed limit before...   

The police car was unmarked and did not stand out from a normal car following him.at 03:30 there is a lot cabs saloon and taxi style using this road so a normal car does not stand out as something different.He knew there was other cars behind him but not a police car.So his eye sight does not come into question. 
As for speeding we all do it now and then,am proof i had 9 points at one stage.

As my previous post states it has been confirmed by the police,Sussex highways and lawyer the road has a 50 mph limit not 30mph as stated by the officer that stopped him.

[STMO999]

Certainly got your teeth into this one Bill. Hope you get the right result.

[Selseybill]

Lawyer was saying if the ticket isn't quashed,he will go to court and claim for this and that but we have informed him as long as the ticket is quashed and the officer has had a talking too we would be happy.The lawyer for some unknown reason has no time for the local police.
Chief inspector is due to call us by 17:00 to let us know what is happening.

[waspy]

I hope all comes good for your son.
Only your son knows if he was speeding, lets hope he & all who have read this thread takes some notes. It's someting we have ALL done at some point.
I just like to see the government NOT getting £60.00 for a change

[JamesV6CDX]

I am still baffled by Chief Inspectors getting involved in a little ticket query, especially one that's been issued by a trafpol Sarge!

[Selseybill]

I am still baffled by Chief Inspectors getting involved in a little ticket query, especially one that's been issued by a trafpol Sarge!

Chief inspector is a good family friend and i do a lot of work with him in Chichester(benefits of having father who is a ex inspector & and eldest son in Hampshire force).
He takes all complaints against his force very personal and likes to sort them out asap.
It's not what you know it's who you know.

[albitz]

Possibly because one of their underlings has quite possibly just done something which is tantamount to perverting the course of justice ?
Interestingly if the OP had taken the advice of some people to just "take it on the chin"his son would now be paying a fine and having his clean record tarnished,when in fact it looks like he commited no offence at all,and the officer doesnt even know the speed limits in his own patch,or worse,he does know but wanted  easy brownie points or whatever.
I have had this happen to me in my forst few months on the road.I was stopped for having a tail light bulb out ,but at the end of the conversation with the 2 officers the older seargant informed me that he was doing me for driving at 20mph above the limit.I told him that I eas driving in thick fog for the first time,was pretty nervous due to the conditions and there was no way on gods earth that I was doing anything like the speed he claimed.He informed me that I could argue all night long ,but the word of 2 police officers against mine would be what counted in court.I had no realistic choice but to plead guilty.
Since then,if they dont have a watertight case,I will use any technicality to get myself off if possible.

[hotel21]

i suspect that perhaps Dad is getting sons somewhat distilled version of reality, both as regards the stop in question and as to whether he has NEVER broken the speed limit before...   

The police car was unmarked and did not stand out from a normal car following him.at 03:30 there is a lot cabs saloon and taxi style using this road so a normal car does not stand out as something different.He knew there was other cars behind him but not a police car.So his eye sight does not come into question. 
As for speeding we all do it now and then,am proof i had 9 points at one stage.

As my previous post states it has been confirmed by the police,Sussex highways and lawyer the road has a 50 mph limit not 30mph as stated by the officer that stopped him.


 

Lawyer was saying if the ticket isn't quashed,he will go to court and claim for this and that but we have informed him as long as the ticket is quashed and the officer has had a talking too we would be happy.The lawyer for some unknown reason has no time for the local police.
Chief inspector is due to call us by 17:00 to let us know what is happening.

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Bill, you asked for advice and I and others attempted to pass some onto you.

Fair enough if it was an unmarked car.  Point I was attempting to make was that the Officers, if using the kit correctly and as per ACPO guidelines, should be standing out the vehicle and not operating it from within.  If they were in uniform then reflective jackets would be required - elf and safety - so perhaps eysesight may play a part?  Not so, if they were sitting in the car and jackets off, pointing the hairdryer out the window, then thats a different route of defence.... 

You say the road had a 50 limit as confirmed by the highway authority and others, yet your original post intimated otherwise?

there is no mention of road names only near by towns on the ticket and as with the lack of lamp posts and speed signs(nearest is 2 mile away) .The road goes from 40mph to 30mph then to 50mph

I maintain that the locus written on the ticket is the place of offence, not where son was stopped.  The details on the ticket may be sketchy/limited but the officer(s) should have made it clear where the offence took place.

As said previously, the NIP is verbally administered and, up here at least, includes the locus so that the driver is in no doubt.

[KillerWatt]

As my previous post states it has been confirmed by the police,Sussex highways and lawyer the road has a 50 mph limit not 30mph as stated by the officer that stopped him.

In that case, it's "cut & dried" for your son.....and make sure you screw the f**kers for every single last penny you can think of if they insist on putting it before a court of law.