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[Shackeng]

A very good article here about how the Israelis secure their airports with the minimum of fuss. Lessons to be learned, methinks.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

I flew for a living, and was always happy operating out of Ben Gurion, but not so happy with many others!

[Pitchfork]

I'm Jewish & I'm with Optimist all the way
Give Palestine back to the Palestinians!

[Dishevelled Den]

I'm Jewish & I'm with Optimist all the way
Give Palestine back to the Palestinians!

What part of Palestine would that be PF?

[feeutfo]

an insite into the imposible stuation both sides have created. A subject of airport security degrades into jewish palestinian argument within 1 or 2 posts at the mere mention of one side or the other.

on the op's subject i think we need all the help we can get...clearly!

[Dishevelled Den]

an insite into the imposible stuation both sides have created. A subject of airport security degrades into jewish palestinian argument within 1 or 2 posts at the mere mention of one side or the other.

on the op's subject i think we need all the help we can get...clearly!

Whilst there's no doubt that some subsequent posts have been tangential to Nickbat's original subject matter Chris, the two issues can be directly linked on the security question alone.

I don't feel that there has been any degradation into unwelcome and inappropriate comments thus far on a subject that holds endless possibility for reasoned and pragmatic debate.

[albitz]

I'm Jewish & I'm with Optimist all the way
Give Palestine back to the Palestinians!

Sounds very like the old "give Ireland back to the Irish" rubbish we used to hear in the 70,s.A very simplistic sound bite solution to a very complex problem.Best left to the 6th form common room imo
Isreal is a legitimate country which is now well established and recognised under international law,they cant be just kicked out and the land be given to the palestinians.They do though need to find a way of living with or close to them which isnt a total surrender for anyone.
Would that this country protected its borders like the Israelis do.I went there a few years ago on a ship.There were 4 ships arrived in port that morning,each carrying over 600 passengers and not one person was allowed ashore until they had been interviewed by the Israeli police.It was all done with the greatest speed and efficiency btw.

[Dishevelled Den]

I'm Jewish & I'm with Optimist all the way
Give Palestine back to the Palestinians!

Sounds very like the old "give Ireland back to the Irish" rubbish we used to hear in the 70,s.A very simplistic sound bite solution to a very complex problem.Best left to the 6th form common room imo
Isreal is a legitimate country which is now well established and recognised under international law,they cant be just kicked out and the land be given to the palestinians.They do though need to find a way of living with or close to them which isnt a total surrender for anyone.
Would that this country protected its borders like the Israelis do.I went there a few years ago on a ship.There were 4 ships arrived in port that morning,each carrying over 600 passengers and not one person was allowed ashore until they had been interviewed by the Israeli police.It was all done with the greatest speed and efficiency btw.

  that brings back a memory or fourteen - indeed some were quite serious about it 

[jereboam]

I'm Jewish & I'm with Optimist all the way
Give Palestine back to the Palestinians!

Sounds very like the old "give Ireland back to the Irish" rubbish we used to hear in the 70,s.A very simplistic sound bite solution to a very complex problem.Best left to the 6th form common room imo
Isreal is a legitimate country which is now well established and recognised under international law,they cant be just kicked out and the land be given to the palestinians.They do though need to find a way of living with or close to them which isnt a total surrender for anyone.
Would that this country protected its borders like the Israelis do.I went there a few years ago on a ship.There were 4 ships arrived in port that morning,each carrying over 600 passengers and not one person was allowed ashore until they had been interviewed by the Israeli police.It was all done with the greatest speed and efficiency btw.

In 1948, the Palestinians were just kicked out and the land given to the Israelis.  IMO, the 60-year old Palestinian claim to the land has more validity now than the 3000-year old Jewish claim had then.

But "Give Palestine back to the Palestinians" isn't the answer either.  There has to be a negotiated two-state settlement, and that's as far away as it ever was.  As long as the Palestinians go on squabbling among themselves and taking pot-shots at the farmers, and as long as the hard-line "settlers" keep building on disputed land, the fighting will go on. 

And BTW, I'm Jewish, and I detest the Israeli government (all of them!).  But there is no way they could have just continued to let the Palestinians fire rockets at them at will, however old those rockets may be.  Whether you are killed by a pre-WW2 rocket or a brand spanking new batch of Semtex from an ex-soviet country makes b*gger all difference when you are lying on a mortuary slab.

And for the record, use of a tactical nuclear weapon would have been disproportionate.  A punitive ground-force invasion, with air support seems pretty reasonable to me.  Pity the Israelis got a bit carried away with the depleted uranium and white phosphorus, but the civilian deaths have to be considered as collateral damage.  It's a war - sh*t happens.

[Banjax]

aah Isreal, that great bastion of even handed, proportionate response.

why don't we just let Isreal take care of all our security issues - they seem to do a great job.

why Isreal is better at handling terrorists threats at airports is like asking why Norway is better at dealing with snow - its there, clear and present all the time.

frankly if religion was outlawed as the ludicrous superstition and fairytales that it is we'd be safer, but you won't hear a rational debate until the blind remove their blinkers and we can progress.....imagine overnight all religion ended - like a bad dream we all woke up "wtf was that business with the food we couldn't eat or the clothes we had to wear....and the stupid hats? the hell was that about??? as for the invisible superbeings - were we all drunk???" we'd shake our heads and get on with life in the 21st Century.

Crazy, I know. 

[Dishevelled Den]

aah Isreal, that great bastion of even handed, proportionate response.

why don't we just let Isreal take care of all our security issues - they seem to do a great job.

why Isreal is better at handling terrorists threats at airports is like asking why Norway is better at dealing with snow - its there, clear and present all the time.

frankly if religion was outlawed as the ludicrous superstition and fairytales that it is we'd be safer, but you won't hear a rational debate until the blind remove their blinkers and we can progress.....imagine overnight all religion ended - like a bad dream we all woke up "wtf was that business with the food we couldn't eat or the clothes we had to wear....and the stupid hats? the hell was that about??? as for the invisible superbeings - were we all drunk???" we'd shake our heads and get on with life in the 21st Century.

Crazy, I know. 

I'm gratified that you've been able to maintain your sanity through this very testing and provocative period in recent history bj

[Nickbat]

aah Isreal, that great bastion of even handed, proportionate response.

why don't we just let Isreal take care of all our security issues - they seem to do a great job.

why Isreal is better at handling terrorists threats at airports is like asking why Norway is better at dealing with snow - its there, clear and present all the time.

frankly if religion was outlawed as the ludicrous superstition and fairytales that it is we'd be safer, but you won't hear a rational debate until the blind remove their blinkers and we can progress.....imagine overnight all religion ended - like a bad dream we all woke up "wtf was that business with the food we couldn't eat or the clothes we had to wear....and the stupid hats? the hell was that about??? as for the invisible superbeings - were we all drunk???" we'd shake our heads and get on with life in the 21st Century.

Crazy, I know. 

I'm gratified that you've been able to maintain your sanity through this very testing and provocative period in recent history bj

You could, of course, outlaw atheism at the same time. It's just as intolerant as the most extreme forms of religion.

Anyway, you've gone off at a complete tangent here. 

The point of the original post was to highlight the possibility of learning something from the Israeli way of doing security, i.e effectively and with a minimum of delay for passengers. As it is, we'll have to put up with 80-year old retired vicars and 6-year old kids travelling with their mum & dad, all having to undergo intrusive and time wasting inspections. Why? Because we mustn't be seen to be profiling. Furthermore, we could do with training some of the muppets you encounter at airports in advanced body language skills to pick out the ones worth a closer look...as they do in Israel.