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[albitz]

I dont see Christians or Jews strapping explosives to themselves and indiscriminately blowing innocent people to pieces on Trains /Aeroplanes etc.

[TheBoy]

I dont see Christians or Jews strapping explosives to themselves and indiscriminately blowing innocent people to pieces on Trains /Aeroplanes etc.

They tried in Northern Ireland for 30 years

[albitz]

They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisional IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland.
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it.

[TheBoy]

They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisioanal IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland.
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it.

By the time the media got hold of it, a lot of it was in the name of religion. And the media never lie....

I suspect a lot of the radicalised muslims are only doing their killing in the name of religion to somehow justify it....

[TheBoy]

or perhaps i should say the argument was split with political and religious following in synergy  :-/

[TheBoy]

or perhaps i should say the argument was split with political and religious following in synergy  :-/

ah fak, what a tosser  . You can tell I've worked for the yanks for too long     

[HolyCount]

Whilst I, too, am insensed by the prospect of such a march, held by people I do not believe should even be in this country (the extremists) I feel that if we react in any way they will get what they want --- global publicity.

Would it not be more effective, if it could be arranged, for the whole march to take place without anyone broadcasting it or attending it --- show our contempt by totally ingoring it -- let them march through empty ( boarded up) streets, unwitnessed.  They are but ants under our shoes.

[albitz]

They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisioanal IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland.
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it.

By the time the media got hold of it, a lot of it was in the name of religion. And the media never lie....

I suspect a lot of the radicalised muslims are only doing their killing in the name of religion to somehow justify it....

The Muslim extremists are very tightly bound to their version of their religion imo.They do it in the name of Allah and believe they go to the highest level of paradise after blowing themselves up.
They percieve the Western way of live as an abomination and an affront to all that is right and something which should be destroyed.
The religious link to the N.I. violence ,although present was never as strong.There were (are) two cultures /communities,one of British background, and therefore historically Protestant and the other native Irish background and therefore historically Catholic.
The common denominator between both these problems (and many others) is the fact that the men in the background who pull the strings of the folk at ground level know that if they tie their political cause to the religion of the people who they wish to their dirty deeds for them then they are much more likely to achieve total devotion to the cause. People (particularily poor people) are often completely devoted and unquestioning in their religious beliefs imo.

[Gaffers]

The problem in the debate is the separation of those who are religious and those who use it as an identity.  Call the entire muslim population in a western country to prayer you'll get a small number.  They simply aren't all very religious.  Slight or belittle islam and you'll get them all stirred up like a hornet's nest.

A case in point was in Bosnia.  After communism only 13% of the muslim population identified themselves as religious, in fact the muslim world calls them 'communist muslims' as they dont really follow it as strictly as elsewhere.  Yet when the west did nothing to protect them against the serb and croat aggression pretty much the entire muslim populaion of the world, sunni and shi'ite rose in support of the Bosniaks.

Just my 2 cents.....

[Pitchfork]

Religions are the root cause of all evils/oppression - Discuss.

[albitz]

They can be a force for good in some respects imo,but all too often warmongers hitch their wagon to the train of a religion to acquire the most dedicated foot soldiers possible.Teenage suicide bombers being a classic example.Waste of a young but impressionable life.Fathers will kill their own daughters because of religion,so it can be stronger even than the normal/natural family bonds and parental instincts.

[albitz]

Getting back to the original point about the proposed march in Wooton Basset.Yes we are a tolerant country with a history of freedom of speech,but there is a line some where between being tolerant and allowing people to p1$$ up our backs,and imo this country crossed that line a very long time ago.
So I think they should be told that if they do anything to which remotely interferes with the quiet British dignity of what takes place there, they will be taken to the nearest firing range and used for target practice.

[STMO999]

Religions are the root cause of all evils/oppression - Discuss.

What, again? It will do no good. I find it absolutely astounding that, in the 21st century, people still follow their own interpretation of a fairy story cobbled together centuries ago. But that's just me, and I may be a death-bed repenter.

[Pitchfork]

Religions are the root cause of all evils/oppression - Discuss.

What, again? It will do no good. I find it absolutely astounding that, in the 21st century, people still follow their own interpretation of a fairy story cobbled together centuries ago. But that's just me, and I may be a death-bed repenter.

I'm actually with you on this STMO (a rare occurance  )

[Dishevelled Den]

They werent Christians (or jews) FYI the Provisional IRA was an extreme left wing/Marxist organisation and one of their stated aims was to create a united/independent socialist Republic of Ireland.
I was born there and lived through the worst of the "Troubles" and Christianity never came into it.

100% right on the money there A