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[Dishevelled Den]

I agree, I think alot of the police are so far up their own backsides they have lost track of the job they are meant to be doing for us.......

As an innocent member of the public I have seen this first hand on two occasions.......

On one occasion I was unjustly pulled over after querying a traffic Volvos speed through a residential area when not on a blue light run......I was later visited at home by the offending PCs Sargeant and  got a full apologyfrom him for the PCs behaviour  arrogance and unproffesionalism....

The second occasion when I reported a patrol car for illegally undertaking me in my 18t truck i heard absolutely NOTHING back........

The Police in this country are there to SERVE US.......not THEMSELVES.......

They are also "us"!

Funny that, cos I dont think they even see themselves as "us".........

Another example.......police pulled alongside me once in traffic...years ago.....copper my side winds his window down and asks me what I was doing (dancing around on my seat).....

"Nothing mate....just messing about........" came my reply.....

"Not your mate......." came to coppers retort......

Law unto themselves, and until they all earn my respect they will not get my respect.....simple as that.......

"Nothing mate....just messing about........" came my reply.....

"Not your mate......." came to coppers retort......


Respect cuts both ways M.

[webby23]

I agree, I think alot of the police are so far up their own backsides they have lost track of the job they are meant to be doing for us.......

As an innocent member of the public I have seen this first hand on two occasions.......

On one occasion I was unjustly pulled over after querying a traffic Volvos speed through a residential area when not on a blue light run......I was later visited at home by the offending PCs Sargeant and  got a full apologyfrom him for the PCs behaviour  arrogance and unproffesionalism....

The second occasion when I reported a patrol car for illegally undertaking me in my 18t truck i heard absolutely NOTHING back........

The Police in this country are there to SERVE US.......not THEMSELVES.......

They are also "us"!

Funny that, cos I dont think they even see themselves as "us".........

Another example.......police pulled alongside me once in traffic...years ago.....copper my side winds his window down and asks me what I was doing (dancing around on my seat).....

"Nothing mate....just messing about........" came my reply.....

"Not your mate......." came to coppers retort......

Law unto themselves, and until they all earn my respect they will not get my respect.....simple as that.......

"Nothing mate....just messing about........" came my reply.....

"Not your mate......." came to coppers retort......


Respect cuts both ways M.

Dont get your point here.......My reply was polite........his wasnt..........!!!

Arrogance.........How does a reply with that fit in with them seeing themselves as "us".........??

 

[Dishevelled Den]

I agree, I think alot of the police are so far up their own backsides they have lost track of the job they are meant to be doing for us.......

As an innocent member of the public I have seen this first hand on two occasions.......

On one occasion I was unjustly pulled over after querying a traffic Volvos speed through a residential area when not on a blue light run......I was later visited at home by the offending PCs Sargeant and  got a full apologyfrom him for the PCs behaviour  arrogance and unproffesionalism....

The second occasion when I reported a patrol car for illegally undertaking me in my 18t truck i heard absolutely NOTHING back........

The Police in this country are there to SERVE US.......not THEMSELVES.......

The Police in this country are there to SERVE US

You are quite correct M and for the most part they do just that


I agree, I think alot of the police are so far up their own backsides they have lost track of the job they are meant to be doing for us.......

As an innocent member of the public I have seen this first hand on two occasions.......

There have been many occasions M when police conduct has fallen  from the standards so rightly expected by each and every one of us however I would be disappointed to learn that you are making your generalised assertion that they are 'so far up their own backsides' based on the two incidents you describe.   

I have based my comments on my own personal experience of the police.........

 

 That's fair enough M and indeed you comments are valid where that personal experience is concerned, but does that validity extend to your generalised comment about 'a lot of the police'?

[webby23]

All I can do is base my comments on my own experiences.....I will not say the police are great, because in my own personal experience they are most definately not.....

And I am just a "normal" member of the law abiding public......

 

[Dishevelled Den]

I agree, I think alot of the police are so far up their own backsides they have lost track of the job they are meant to be doing for us.......

As an innocent member of the public I have seen this first hand on two occasions.......

On one occasion I was unjustly pulled over after querying a traffic Volvos speed through a residential area when not on a blue light run......I was later visited at home by the offending PCs Sargeant and  got a full apologyfrom him for the PCs behaviour  arrogance and unproffesionalism....

The second occasion when I reported a patrol car for illegally undertaking me in my 18t truck i heard absolutely NOTHING back........

The Police in this country are there to SERVE US.......not THEMSELVES.......

They are also "us"!

Funny that, cos I dont think they even see themselves as "us".........

Another example.......police pulled alongside me once in traffic...years ago.....copper my side winds his window down and asks me what I was doing (dancing around on my seat).....

"Nothing mate....just messing about........" came my reply.....

"Not your mate......." came to coppers retort......

Law unto themselves, and until they all earn my respect they will not get my respect.....simple as that.......

"Nothing mate....just messing about........" came my reply.....

"Not your mate......." came to coppers retort......


Respect cuts both ways M.

Dont get your point here.......My reply was polite........his wasnt..........!!!

Arrogance.........How does a reply with that fit in with them seeing themselves as "us".........??

 

Well M an answer such as that can be construed as being disrespectful - just as your reply was.  It depends on the interpretation. 

You may rightly have considered the officers remarks to be arrogant but surely you can't consider that to be true for all police officers?

 

[webby23]

I consider it to be true in my experience yes !!!

 

[Dishevelled Den]

All I can do is base my comments on my own experiences.....I will not say the police are great, because in my own personal experience they are most definately not.....

And I am just a "normal" member of the law abiding public......

 

I can accept that M and am sorry that you have had these bad experiences. 

In many cases the conduct of individual officers has been responsible for doing the collective no good whatsoever and that's to be regretted but I hope that it won't tarnish your overall support for the police, as without it the system fails to work

[webby23]

All I can do is base my comments on my own experiences.....I will not say the police are great, because in my own personal experience they are most definately not.....

And I am just a "normal" member of the law abiding public......

 

I can accept that M and am sorry that you have had these bad experiences. 

In many cases the conduct of individual officers has been responsible for doing the collective no good whatsoever and that's to be regretted but I hope that it won't tarnish your overall support for the police, as without it the system fails to work

My point Zulu is that, yes, I have had innocent and bad experiences with the police on more than one occasion, but it appears that more and more coppers are taking liberties with their position....(if what we read is true)

Be it illegal parking, speeding, back handers.......the  list could go on and on......

 

[Dishevelled Den]

All I can do is base my comments on my own experiences.....I will not say the police are great, because in my own personal experience they are most definately not.....

And I am just a "normal" member of the law abiding public......

 

I can accept that M and am sorry that you have had these bad experiences. 

In many cases the conduct of individual officers has been responsible for doing the collective no good whatsoever and that's to be regretted but I hope that it won't tarnish your overall support for the police, as without it the system fails to work

My point Zulu is that, yes, I have had innocent and bad experiences with the police on more than one occasion, but it appears that more and more coppers are taking liberties with their position....(if what we read is true)

Be it illegal parking, speeding, back handers.......the  list could go on and on......

 

I have no doubt that some of the things you mention have occurred, and are occurring, but I am duty bound to say that it is not representative of the force as a collective – it would be unreasonable to assert that.

Where such incidents are identified then the officers concerned should face the full rigor of the law.  We must realize however that the system as it presently stands, imperfect though it is, remains the only means by which a reasonable restraint can be placed upon society in the expectation that the laws of the land are obeyed.

The continued support of the police not only by you but by everyone else is crucial to how this system works.

[webby23]

But it would appear the system isnt working..........?

[Dishevelled Den]

But it would appear the system isnt working..........?

The system as we understood it has gone M and what we presently have is in grave peril for a number of reasons, so it's imperative that the public see past incidents of the type you mentioned and continue to give support.

I have worked in an environment where such support was withdrawn and I can assure you that the resulting anarchy didn't do anyone any favours.

[jereboam]

Am I unusual in that I've never had any problem with the police at any time in my life?  Not just the UK police, either - I lived in the Netherlands for 20 years.

The job of the police is to enforce the law (or part of it, anyway).  I do my best to obey the law (speed limits excepted), and I maintain a healthy respect for its officers.  Result: never had any trouble.

As an IT consultant, I've worked with several police forces, and, once again, I've not had any problems with any of the policemen I've met.  There's the usual mix of thickos and clever blokes that you get everywhere, but I'd much rather work with coppers than Civil Servants. 

And I have to declare an interest - my son joined the police a couple of years ago.  He enjoys the work, but hates the bureaucracy that's been foisted on to job.  He got caught speeding in his own car (46 in a 30 limit) a month or so back.  He has 3 points on his licence now.

So please don't give me all this cr*p about endemic police corruption.  It's not true.  If they are picking on you, you've probably done something wrong.

[albitz]

I have had good and bad experiences with the police over a long period of time, but the thing that brings it home to me just how difficult the job can be is when I see on the news this week that one of them is driving along the road in his car and a bomb explodes under him and put him in hospital with terrible injuries.Not many people have to put up with that purely because of the job they have chosen to do.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Another thread of generalization, due to two members of a police force making 'a mistake' that anyone of us can be guilty of any day of the week.  Police when off duty are like any other member of the public, and if they make a simple mistake by committing a traffic offence why should they lose their jobs?  Would any of you, outside of drink driving?

No, of all the many officers I have had and still do have contact with I can honestly say the vast majority are only interested in doing their job for the benefit of the general public.  They usually act in a very reasonable, responsible manner, remaining human, with even a sense of humour if appropiate, but above all are highly professional. 

Believe me when I say that all too many members of the public act in ways that cause the police officers to have to become strict with individuals, when if the member of the public acted in a honest and non-aggressive manner, the police will often take a softer line, although still fulfilling their duty in up holding the law.

There may be very good reasons why certain members of the public have a different attitude towards the police........the level of contact they have had to have with them............!!  

[webby23]

If they are picking on you, you've probably done something wrong.

For further details of what happened, please read my previous postings......I have never done anything to bring me to the attention of our "Police" force......