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[Nickbat]

Rather than post in the other long thread, I thought it may be better to start a new thread for the latest dramatic events.

THE United Nations climate science panel faces new controversy for wrongly linking global warming to an increase in the number and severity of natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7000063.ece

And Pachauri (he who makes has fingers in many pies, including oil extraction and carbon trading) is, I reckon, unlikely to last the week as chairman of the IPCC.

See: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/23/highnoon-for-pachauri/

The latter issue is also covered in The Times and Telegraph. This is the first time that the mainstream media have focused on this issue and a sign that it is getting bigger by the minute. Obviously the BBC have not covered it yet.  

What we see here is, IMHO, the potential collapse of the UN IPCC - the main Global Warming body - the reports of which governments have all cited when raising taxes.

We live in interesting times, I feel.      

[Nickbat]

From The Times article:

"Mike Hulme, professor of climate change at the Tyndall Centre, which advises the UK government on global warming, said there was no real evidence that natural disasters were already being made worse by climate change. He said: “A proper analysis shows that these claims are usually superficial”

Such warnings may prove uncomfortable for Miliband whose recent speeches have often linked climate change with disasters such as the floods that recently hit Bangladesh and Cumbria. Last month he said: “We must not let the sceptics pass off political opinion as scientific fact. Events in Cumbria give a foretaste of the kind of weather runaway climate change could bring. Abroad, the melting of the Himalayan glaciers that feed the great rivers of South Asia could put hundreds of millions of people at risk of drought. Our security is at stake.”

Miliband = half-wit
 

[Dishevelled Den]

From The Times article:

"Mike Hulme, professor of climate change at the Tyndall Centre, which advises the UK government on global warming, said there was no real evidence that natural disasters were already being made worse by climate change. He said: “A proper analysis shows that these claims are usually superficial”

Such warnings may prove uncomfortable for Miliband whose recent speeches have often linked climate change with disasters such as the floods that recently hit Bangladesh and Cumbria. Last month he said: “We must not let the sceptics pass off political opinion as scientific fact. Events in Cumbria give a foretaste of the kind of weather runaway climate change could bring. Abroad, the melting of the Himalayan glaciers that feed the great rivers of South Asia could put hundreds of millions of people at risk of drought. Our security is at stake.”

Miliband = half-wit
 

[size=14]Miliband[/size][/b]



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R89oERKCaU[/media]

[Kevin Wood]

Miliband = half-wit

.. and that's being generous.

Problem is, there are enough sheep who've been "converted" it's probably too late.

Kevin

[Nickbat]

Oooh, I say! 

"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/

[Dishevelled Den]

It's gratifying to see the msm begin to carry this and perhaps even the BBC will fulfil part of its Reithian remit and acquaint us with all the pertinent facts of this vexed story.

The sooner that Pachauri is kicked out onto his arse the better.

[Dishevelled Den]

Oooh, I say! 

"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/

That's a very important development - not before time, mind you.

[Hannah Judes Dad]

Oooh, I say! 

"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/

That's a very important development - not before time, mind you.

Must agree with you on that 

[albitz]

I was watching a discussion on this issue on Sky news about an hour ago.They said that this "evidence" was the main reason used by the African countries at Copenhagen for demanding many more billions than they were being offered and that it was the main gangplank of the arguments put forward by Obama and Miliband.I do think that the tide is starting to turn on the climate con.
Dont think we should be calling Miliband a half wit though. Its an insult to half wits the world over,what have they done to deserve insults like that ?

[STMO999]

Oooh, I say! 

"BBC under Investigation for Misinforming on Climate, Vaccines..."

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12025/53/

That's a very important development - not before time, mind you.

Yes. Those Macedonians have seen right through it

[Nickbat]

"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUx6pwXe

 

Rats and sinking ships, methinks.

[jereboam]

"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUx6pwXe

 

Rats and sinking ships, methinks.

This is going too fast.  As much as I would like to see an end to the Global Warming Disaster bandwagon, I fear that once the media (be they mainstream or Macedonian) take up the challenge, we'll get too much of a swing in the opposite direction.

While I'm sceptical about the end of civilisation as we know it through GW/CC and irresponsible use of fossil fuels, there are plenty of other good reasons for a bit of restraint.  Some are even environmental.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My views on global warming/climate change ......are well documented on this forum.....unlike some however .........My mind is open to reasoned persuasion..   

[Nickbat]

My views on global warming/climate change ......are well documented on this forum.....unlike some however .........My mind is open to reasoned persuasion..   

Aha! Cognitive dissonance, anyone? 

[Nickbat]

"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz0dUx6pwXe

 

Rats and sinking ships, methinks.

This is going too fast.  As much as I would like to see an end to the Global Warming Disaster bandwagon, I fear that once the media (be they mainstream or Macedonian) take up the challenge, we'll get too much of a swing in the opposite direction.

While I'm sceptical about the end of civilisation as we know it through GW/CC and irresponsible use of fossil fuels, there are plenty of other good reasons for a bit of restraint.  Some are even environmental.

It was not Macedonian media as such, merely MINA (the news agency) reporting facts about the BBC Trust taking action.

As far as going too fast is concerned, I feel I should point out that the sceptics are, by and large, sensible folks who are concerned that the science is being, or has been, distorted to make a political point. They, (well, certainly the ones I know) want the debate to move onto things like protecting the rain forests, protecting habitats, reducing disease etc. When the CO2 scam is finally revealed, I have no doubt that the David Bellamy's of this world will be re-instated and we can look after our planet in a sensible, compassionate and targeted way. We've just got to get rid of this daft guilt-driven policy which is actually harming the environment (e.g. the amount of forest being cleared for biofuels, etc.).