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[STMO123]

I have never been a big fan of diesel engined cars. I dont hate them, I've just never given them much thought, until now.
I've just been reading an article in the local rag about the new Vectra 1.9 CDTi 150 and the Mondeo 2.2 TDCi 155. They are both fantastic cars (engine wise) and I was astounded to read some of the figures.

                       PRICE         CO2           PERFORMANCE         FUEL CON           INS GRP
Vectra      £18255-23705   159g/km      134mph 0-60 8.8s      48.6mpg             10-11
Mondeo    £19195-23995    151g/km     137mph 0-60 8.5s      46.3mpg                13

Now for the most impressive figures. The Vectra has an amazing 315Nm of torque and the Mondeo.........wait for it.....400Nm!!!   Thats almost right across the range. At just over tickover speed the mondeo generates more grunt than a ferrari 360 modena OR a BMW M3.

The mid-range acceleration must be fantastic!

Now all I need is twenty grand or a couple of dealers daft enough to let me have a test drive.

[Marks DTM Calib]

400Nm!!!   Thats almost right across the range

Somebody does not know how to read a torque curve then....having driven both and seen the torque curves....they are not pleasent....its another case of nothing, nothing, loads, nothing.....hence the 6 speed box.....

[STMO123]

400Nm!!!   Thats almost right across the range

Somebody does not know how to read a torque curve then....having driven both and seen the torque curves....they are not pleasent....its another case of nothing, nothing, loads, nothing.....hence the 6 speed box.....

If that is the case, and I'm not doubting you, why on earth print this sh1te?

[STMO123]

Gonna ring Polar Ford later and book a test drive. The dealership is half a mile from the M1 so I'll give it mid-range blast.

[Martin_1962]

If you want a proper Diesel a nearby 2.2TD owner is being forced to sell his company car due to mileage

[Admin]

I'm with Mark, I have driven both and the power delivery band is VERY narrow.

Diesels have come a long way, and when you get them on song, they are, albeit briefly, very swift.

I really don't like the Mondeo. It has a harsh ride (think the engineers drove Passats previously!), the interior feels cheap (though I am comparing to an Omega!) and te steering is too detached (another Passat failing).

The Vectra is not as bad. Seats are better, ride is still too damn firm, but steering at least gives some feedback and the interior is nicer (again this is relative).

Me, I'll stick with what I have. It may be far less economical, but it has torque ALL the way through the rev range, has an infinitely better ride, is better put together, has superb leather Recaros, has steering that does tell me what the wheels are doing, has the engine pointing the correct direction and most certainly makes a far better noise!  

Oh and I don't have to worry about depreciation, company car tax or monthly repayments!

[JamesV6CDX]

I'm with Mark, I have driven both and the power delivery band is VERY narrow.

Diesels have come a long way, and when you get them on song, they are, albeit briefly, very swift.

I really don't like the Mondeo. It has a harsh ride (think the engineers drove Passats previously!), the interior feels cheap (though I am comparing to an Omega!) and te steering is too detached (another Passat failing).

The Vectra is not as bad. Seats are better, ride is still too damn firm, but steering at least gives some feedback and the interior is nicer (again this is relative).

Me, I'll stick with what I have. It may be far less economical, but it has torque ALL the way through the rev range, has an infinitely better ride, is better put together, has superb leather Recaros, has steering that does tell me what the wheels are doing, has the engine pointing the correct direction and most certainly makes a far better noise!  

Oh and I don't have to worry about depreciation, company car tax or monthly repayments!

I'd back that everytime.... £175 3.0 V6 Elite for me any day of the week

[tunnie]

I'm with Mark, I have driven both and the power delivery band is VERY narrow.

Diesels have come a long way, and when you get them on song, they are, albeit briefly, very swift.

I really don't like the Mondeo. It has a harsh ride (think the engineers drove Passats previously!), the interior feels cheap (though I am comparing to an Omega!) and te steering is too detached (another Passat failing).

The Vectra is not as bad. Seats are better, ride is still too damn firm, but steering at least gives some feedback and the interior is nicer (again this is relative).

Me, I'll stick with what I have. It may be far less economical, but it has torque ALL the way through the rev range, has an infinitely better ride, is better put together, has superb leather Recaros, has steering that does tell me what the wheels are doing, has the engine pointing the correct direction and most certainly makes a far better noise!  

Oh and I don't have to worry about depreciation, company car tax or monthly repayments!

I'd back that everytime.... £175 3.0 V6 Elite for me any day of the week

Exactly, Omega's may drink fuel but they are so damn cheap in the first place, save £17,000 straight away!  

[STMO123]

You'll have noted, or maybe you wont , that I did say "engine wise". Certainly wont be as good as an omega in other departments.