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something Nickbat would usually post....
« on: 13 February 2010, 19:52:10 »

when are they going to adjust road tax for motorbikes?

Just taxed the beemer for 12 months, cost me £66. So why, does a diesel Megan which is about 10 times heavier, takes up more room on the road, does more damage to the road and environment only £34 a year to tax?  >:(
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #1 on: 13 February 2010, 19:57:28 »

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when are they going to adjust road tax for motorbikes?

Just taxed the beemer for 12 months, cost me £66. So why, does a diesel Megan which is about 10 times heavier, takes up more room on the road, does more damage to the road and environment only £34 a year to tax?  >:(


........ Successive governments have been anti-bike for as long as I can remember Tunnie.....Sadly...  :-/ :-/
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #2 on: 13 February 2010, 20:21:09 »

Would you happen to know what the Co2 figure ......is for that old flat twin of yours Tunnie? ::) :P.
...........pretty low .....I would think... :y
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #3 on: 13 February 2010, 20:37:20 »

wanted to include it in the post, but spent a good 10 mins trying to find it, no joy. Imagine its a fraction of a 1.4 derv  :-/
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #4 on: 14 February 2010, 11:34:20 »

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wanted to include it in the post, but spent a good 10 mins trying to find it, no joy. Imagine its a fraction of a 1.4 derv  :-/

What fuel consumption does it return? That will be pretty much proportional to it.

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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #5 on: 14 February 2010, 11:37:28 »

Sorry but road tax has nothing to do with roads and repairing them.
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #6 on: 14 February 2010, 11:40:39 »

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wanted to include it in the post, but spent a good 10 mins trying to find it, no joy. Imagine its a fraction of a 1.4 derv  :-/

What fuel consumption does it return? That will be pretty much proportional to it.

Kevin

about 50mpg on average, so about the same as a derv Megan.
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #7 on: 14 February 2010, 11:45:15 »

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Sorry but road tax has nothing to do with roads and repairing them.

My argument is with co2 rating for tax
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #8 on: 14 February 2010, 11:46:03 »

I thought it was all linked to CO2 figures.......the higher the figure ......the more the road tax costs. :-/
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #9 on: 14 February 2010, 11:58:19 »

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when are they going to adjust road tax for motorbikes?

Just taxed the beemer for 12 months, cost me £66. So why, does a diesel Megan which is about 10 times heavier, takes up more room on the road, does more damage to the road and environment only £34 a year to tax?  >:(


I think this government paper covers the subject, Tunnie:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmselect/cmtran/698/69804.htm
UPDATED:
The paper refers to the ECEM (European Motor Cycle Industry) in a number of places, but doesn't show the actual data. So, in conjunction with the government paper, you can read the ECEM report on motorcycle emissions here (PDF):

http://www.acem.eu/media/d_card_environment_light_32251.pdf
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #10 on: 14 February 2010, 11:58:48 »

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Sorry but road tax has nothing to do with roads and repairing them.

My argument is with co2 rating for tax

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So why, does a diesel Megan which is about 10 times heavier, takes up more room on the road, does more damage to the road and environment only £34 a year to tax?

Granted but my point is that you will be charged whatever DVLA/HMG deems appropriate regardless of it being based on C02 / amount of tread on your tyres / colour of your vehicle or whatever they dream up next.

In short C02 is just a nice easy supposedly 'green' way of legitimising taxing you and then using the money elsewhere.

Don't know why a bike should be charged more than a car though when they are using the same variable element :(

Of course DVLA/HMG could argue that you go further per gallon of fuel and hence are not paying the same amount of fuel tax per mile as a less fuel efficient vehicle.
« Last Edit: 14 February 2010, 11:59:50 by VXL_V6 »
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #11 on: 15 February 2010, 13:40:07 »

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when are they going to adjust road tax for motorbikes?

Just taxed the beemer for 12 months, cost me £66. So why, does a diesel Megan which is about 10 times heavier, takes up more room on the road, does more damage to the road and environment only £34 a year to tax?  >:(

I've just been in contact with Suzuki about my 650 Bandit and if road tax was charged the same as it is for cars then I would have to pay £0 for the year,me thinks this is unfair as like tunnie I have to pay £66. >:(
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Re: something Nickbat would usually post....
« Reply #12 on: 15 February 2010, 13:57:23 »

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when are they going to adjust road tax for motorbikes?

Just taxed the beemer for 12 months, cost me £66. So why, does a diesel Megan which is about 10 times heavier, takes up more room on the road, does more damage to the road and environment only £34 a year to tax?  >:(

I've just been in contact with Suzuki about my 650 Bandit and if road tax was charged the same as it is for cars then I would have to pay £0 for the year,me thinks this is unfair as like tunnie I have to pay £66. >:(

Interestingly my old Yam MT-03 was 660cc single, which is a completley different bike in terms of power & use, yet its the same to tax per year.

Beemer gets the same mpg though, not bad considering its got twice cc capacticy
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