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[ChevetteNick]

The immigrants only take up the jobs because the locals don't.

That is not true and is a disgraceful statement to make. I personally know of a company local to me, at one time the largest employer in the area, that set up an office in Poland offering the locals there work and accomodation in England that was not available to British men and Women.

[albitz]

Its all about cheap labour/ easy profits. These companies who claim they could not survive without them should explain how they operated before the huge influx of immigrant labour.

[Varche]

Its all about cheap labour/ easy profits. These companies who claim they could not survive without them should explain how they operated before the huge influx of immigrant labour.

Don't think so. The asparagus picking farm for example was paying piece rate. From memory 38p per kilo . A good worker could make £100 plus a day. The local indigenous guys made so little that the manage had to make up his wage to the minimum Uk per hour..

There are asparagus fields here near us. No raised beds. No piece rate just minimum rate wages. If you don't do well the manager just hires someone else . With 20% unemployed their is a waiting list a mile long to get the work.

I have said on a different thread before that people ought to think about how little they pay for supermarket food and how much they throw away. That might explain something of the culuture in farm businesses!

[albitz]

Its all about cheap labour/ easy profits. These companies who claim they could not survive without them should explain how they operated before the huge influx of immigrant labour.

Don't think so. The asparagus picking farm for example was paying piece rate. From memory 38p per kilo . A good worker could make £100 plus a day. The local indigenous guys made so little that the manage had to make up his wage to the minimum Uk per hour..

There are asparagus fields here near us. No raised beds. No piece rate just minimum rate wages. If you don't do well the manager just hires someone else . With 20% unemployed their is a waiting list a mile long to get the work.

I have said on a different thread before that people ought to think about how little they pay for supermarket food and how much they throw away. That might explain something of the culuture in farm businesses!

A lot of the farmers employ the pickers on a casual basis which cuts out all the normal employment costs and red tape. Theres no denying that one of the candidates was a bit of a waster, but to try to portray the British as lazy and workshy and everyone else as far superior is racist and wrong.
I have picked potatoes on piecework when I was younger and it is bloody hard work, but you do get used to it. The farmer in the programme said that the locals should be up to speed in a maximum of 4 hours, as the Eastern europeans were.
Theres no way someone could be expected to get up to speed in that time unless they had already done the job on a regular basis previously imo.
There are also many cases of immigrants being paid way below minimum wage, but they put up with it ( in the short term at least) to get themselves established in this country. they live in communal accomadation to save on costs etc. but they can claim such things as family allowance for children still living abroad and send it back to their family which probably gives them a pretty good living standard in their country.

[Vamps]

I think the young man in the Indian restaurant was 'set up to fail' He was one of three who should have been front of house and had no understanding of the Menu as he had received no training. To be honest I thought he did very well, no one would be expected to do his job without training.

Similar views of the picking on the farm....

The two guys, should have been three but one had been out on the town the previous night and sent a text at midnight to say he would be to tired. They found it hard to keep up the pace of packing bags of potatoes..........

The 'chippy / plasterer' did ok, as said 2 weeks work, after this he moved away for work.

Interesting programme but biased in my opinion and gave the British the image that seems to be the expected norm today.....

[albitz]

Completely agree Vamps. Typical of the BBC unfortunately. If a programme was made which was a mirror image of this one and cast the immigrants in a bad light there would be absolute uproar.

[feeutfo]

Its all about cheap labour/ easy profits. These companies who claim they could not survive without them should explain how they operated before the huge influx of immigrant labour.

there was no recession then...

and i tell you what, i would not do thier job, not at our place, not even for more money than i'm on now. Its mind numbing sole destroying work, and as said, most uk temps cant stick it either.

[albitz]

But we have only been in recession for about 2 years Chris, the influx of immigrant labour started over 10 years ago.
Being as thick as pigsh1t I have done manual/mindless/soul destroying work most of my life, very heavy manual work most of the time. You develop coping mechanisms to deal with it once you accept that it is a situation you probably wont get out of any time soon.

[MikeDundee]

I am currently working on KPI's for the borough 5 major works partnering projects, which will last between 5/10 years with an estimated value of 40 million per annum in work orders;

One of the KPI's is to take on apprenticeships, e.g., local, from the borough, 1 apprentice per 1 million works order per annum. The apprenticeships will mainly cover carpentry, plastering and possibly other trades subect to each of the service providers.

Each contractor also has to employ local labour e.g., whom have either been unemployed, single parents, and BME, however, this is not one of the KPI's.

Hopefully this will reduce immigrant labour being employed, as most will already have employment, unless they start recruiting at the local B&Q car park

[feeutfo]

But we have only been in recession for about 2 years Chris, the influx of immigrant labour started over 10 years ago.
Being as thick as pigsh1t I have done manual/mindless/soul destroying work most of my life, very heavy manual work most of the time. You develop coping mechanisms to deal with it once you accept that it is a situation you probably wont get out of any time soon.

Your not thick Albs, just need to see other situations, temp staff are our only possible solution. Being American owned European company employing 500 full time in the uk and 6000 odd accross Europe with seasonal work load for 4months of the year, what would you do?
 We need anything up to 120 extra staff for those 4months at our site alone, we could possibly employ full time and survive, or produce less with the full time staff we have and survive, but thats not possible through a recession Albs, its just not.

So i say again, without temporary staff and the imigarants among them we would have closed down over a year ago with the loss of 500 skilled full time uk jobs.

...and i think you'll find the influx of imigrants started alot more than 10 years ago.