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[alunonhisown]

My Views on the Death Penalty.
Just ask the families of DEREK BENTLEY, TIMOTHY EVANS, MAHMMOOD MAHTAAN, and you could probably add JAMES HANRATTY to the list as well.
As Albert Camus stated in 1966......

....."An execution is not simply death. It is just as different from the privation of life as a concentration camp is from prison. It adds to death a rule, a public premeditation known to the future victim, an organization which is itself a source of moral sufferings more terrible than death. Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated can be compared. For there to be an equivalency, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life."

And Albert Pierrepoint added in his autobiography that 'EXECUTIONS SOLVE NOTHING AND ARE IN HIS OPINION THE STATES REVENGE'
Just happens to be my opinion as well.

[Varche]

He should not get parole regardless.

And it is about time society got something back from all the people in prison. They should do a "9 till 5" regime like the rest of us. No or minimal pay.

There are plenty of projects they could work on.

There are 4,000 prisoners with Sky Tv in their cells.

The prison service just bought 27,000 new TV's.

I'll not say more

[threppence]

I think the trial judge said 'no less than 30 years'  rather than a 30 year sentence.

he will never be released ,hopefully, because he has to go through 2 levels of qualification.

A psychiatric panel need to decide on his mental state and I would hope that they take into consideration he may stop taking his meds.

So thats the easy one to fool.

The second would be a judiciary panel which you hope would look at the crimes and decide that time needs to be served irrespective of mental state.

Can't see him being released.

I remember how we all felt in and around Leeds/Bradford whenever another body was found and how shops/offices and bars/resaurants put on transport home for women staff.
Didn't stop my future wife walking 4 miles home past where 1 of his victims was found after finishing work at 2am, but, she's always being a bit headstrong and quite frankly [size=14]daft.[/size][/b]

[Entwood]

Lets get a few facts straight .... 

Sutcliffe is NOT appealing for release at this time....  he is appealing, under "human rights legislation" against the WAY he was sentenced.

The judge, at the time quite legally, did not set any "term" (legal definition of a date) but just said "at least 30 years" .. so leaving the decision on his release in the hands of the Home Secretary. This has been a feature of British Law for a long time.

His appeal under the "human rights" legislation of Europe is simply that, under THOSE rules his release should be "controlled" by a Judge and not a Politician, and it cannot be "open ended" ..

If he wins this ruling, then his case will go to the appeal court for them to decide on a date at which he is eligible for parole.

If he loses then the Home Secretary will maintain the right to decide....

This is not just about Sutcliffe but about all the other prisoners sentenced to "open ended" and/or "Home Secretary" decisions, and is another example of eurocrats trying to decide how Britain is run.


The team of barristers he has are all "euro" experts, and are funded by us .. under his legal aid ..

[Dishevelled Den]

Lets get a few facts straight .... 

Sutcliffe is NOT appealing for release at this time....  he is appealing, under "human rights legislation" against the WAY he was sentenced.

The judge, at the time quite legally, did not set any "term" (legal definition of a date) but just said "at least 30 years" .. so leaving the decision on his release in the hands of the Home Secretary. This has been a feature of British Law for a long time.

His appeal under the "human rights" legislation of Europe is simply that, under THOSE rules his release should be "controlled" by a Judge and not a Politician, and it cannot be "open ended" ..

If he wins this ruling, then his case will go to the appeal court for them to decide on a date at which he is eligible for parole.

If he loses then the Home Secretary will maintain the right to decide....

This is not just about Sutcliffe but about all the other prisoners sentenced to "open ended" and/or "Home Secretary" decisions, and is another example of eurocrats trying to decide how Britain is run.


The team of barristers he has are all "euro" experts, and are funded by us .. under his legal aid ..

As E says, it's a matter for the Home Secretary, in the end.....


In sentencing Sutcliffe, Mr Justice Boreham said: "I have no doubt that you are a very dangerous man indeed. The sentence for murder is laid down by the law and is immutable. It is a sentence that you be imprisoned for life. I shall recommend to the Home Secretary that the minimum period that should elapse before he orders your release on license shall be 30 years. That is a longer period, an unusually longer period in my judgement, but I believe you are an unusually dangerous man. I express my hope that when I have said life imprisonment, it will precisely mean that. For reasons that I have already discussed with your counsel in your presence I do not believe that I can make that as a recommendation in statute." For the seven attempted murders that Sutcliffe had admitted, he was also given life sentences.


Read more here:     http://www.execulink.com/~kbrannen/trial05.htm

[Vamps]

I was interviewed as a suspect for the Ripper It took the Police 3 months to track me down, the only clue they had was that I was driving a red bus at a Jazz band event in an area of Newcastle. A person in a nearby Pub, where I had gone for some lunch, thought I sounded like the tape, I sound nothing like it, me a Makem (a person from Sunderland)

[Ken T]

My Views on the Death Penalty.
Just ask the families of DEREK BENTLEY, TIMOTHY EVANS, MAHMMOOD MAHTAAN, and you could probably add JAMES HANRATTY to the list as well.
As Albert Camus stated in 1966......

....."An execution is not simply death. It is just as different from the privation of life as a concentration camp is from prison. It adds to death a rule, a public premeditation known to the future victim, an organization which is itself a source of moral sufferings more terrible than death. Capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated can be compared. For there to be an equivalency, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date at which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not encountered in private life."

And Albert Pierrepoint added in his autobiography that 'EXECUTIONS SOLVE NOTHING AND ARE IN HIS OPINION THE STATES REVENGE'
Just happens to be my opinion as well.

Hmm ask the families of : Wilma McCann, Emily Jackson, Irene Richardson, Patricia Atkinson, Jayne MacDonald, Jean Jordan, Yvonne Pearson, Helen Rytka, Vera Millward,  Josephine Whitaker, Barbara Leach,  Marguerite Walls, and Jacqueline Hill what they think should happen to the Ripper.

If punishment is not effective it ceases to be punishment. People have to be 'educated' to live by Societies Rules, the advantages if they behave and work for the common good, and the punishment if they don't.

Ken

[Ken T]

He should not get parole regardless.

And it is about time society got something back from all the people in prison. They should do a "9 till 5" regime like the rest of us. No or minimal pay.

There are plenty of projects they could work on.

There are 4,000 prisoners with Sky Tv in their cells.

The prison service just bought 27,000 new TV's.

I'll not say more

Sod that, I am currently travelling at least 3hrs per day to go to work, which averages out at 12hrs per day. Make the prisoners work 12-14 hrs per day; if they don't they don't get fed. Sounds cruel, but if we don't work, we don't eat or have somewhere to stay.

Ken