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[albitz]

I reckon we should have a whip round to help with his fine. Why must we be ashamed when someone tries to stick up for the UK for a change. And how can we denigrate someone for ranting against an unelected President of a Europe that we never vote for.

[Nickbat]

I reckon we should have a whip round to help with his fine. Why must we be ashamed when someone tries to stick up for the UK for a change. And how can we denigrate someone for ranting against an unelected President of a Europe that we never vote for.

I think it went the way he intended. 3,000 euros couldn't buy the sort of publicity UKIP got and judging by the many comments I have read, he cemented the eurosceptic vote. Europhiles would have ranted whatever he had said. Smart call on his part, I think.

[Steve Brookman]

He's only saying what most of us think.
Did we elect the president (don't know his name) and he only pays 17% tax. Enough said.

Well done Nigel!!!

[kevinminton]

He's only saying what most of us think.
Did we elect the president (don't know his name) and he only pays 17% tax. Enough said.

Well done Nigel!!!

Steve - which particular "us" did you have in mind?

K

[Banjax]

Huh? :-?

my way of saying hello Nick 

but seriously - it doesn't need expanding does it? as others have said they're a disgraceful, childish, self-serving bunch of little englanders who have no idea how to behave, hence resort to cheap publicity stunts and jumping on whichever band-wagons are passing

imagine that lot got in - we'd be the laughing-stock of europe in our little bowler hats, monocles and cups of tea 

 

Have you actually READ their manifesto?  :-?

No, I didn't think so. 

hilarious isn't it 

scrap human rights? nice, real nice - nutters

increase defence spending by 40%? do they know thats quite a lot of money? more than they’d ever save leaving the EU

they want to free UK from relying on middle east and russian oil, yet oppose wind farms?

300% increase in border control!! this has all been costed has it?

oh, and Norway isn’t a member of the EU? correct, technically it’s not but this makes no difference to the legislation imposed by the EU because it is a member (a founding member no less) of the European economic area - a must if you want access to the EU’s internal market......which we do don’t we?
same for the Swiss - to all intents and purposes they’re a fully functioning member of the EU

my cheques in the post - where do i sign up to these geniuses? 

[Nickbat]

Huh? :-?

my way of saying hello Nick 

but seriously - it doesn't need expanding does it? as others have said they're a disgraceful, childish, self-serving bunch of little englanders who have no idea how to behave, hence resort to cheap publicity stunts and jumping on whichever band-wagons are passing

imagine that lot got in - we'd be the laughing-stock of europe in our little bowler hats, monocles and cups of tea 

 

Have you actually READ their manifesto?  :-?

No, I didn't think so. 

hilarious isn't it 

scrap human rights? nice, real nice - nutters

increase defence spending by 40%? do they know thats quite a lot of money? more than they’d ever save leaving the EU

they want to free UK from relying on middle east and russian oil, yet oppose wind farms?

300% increase in border control!! this has all been costed has it?

oh, and Norway isn’t a member of the EU? correct, technically it’s not but this makes no difference to the legislation imposed by the EU because it is a member (a founding member no less) of the European economic area - a must if you want access to the EU’s internal market......which we do don’t we?
same for the Swiss - to all intents and purposes they’re a fully functioning member of the EU

my cheques in the post - where do i sign up to these geniuses? 

In case anyone thinks that Banjax gives a balance apprasial of the UKIP manifesto, allow me to present this:

* New “Flat tax” replacing Income Tax & National Insurance
* No tax on first £11,500p.a earnings
* No tax for people on minimum wage
* VAT scrapped to be replaced by a local sales tax
* End uncontrolled mass immigration
* Work permits only for UK economic needs (as in Australia)
* Keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers who fear for their lives.
* Swiss-style referenda on key local and national issues
* Student grants, not student loans
* Invest in new high-speed rail routes and re-open selected local lines.
* Encourage electric cars, lorries and trains
* Make foreign lorries pay to use UK roads
* Stop persecuting motorists with huge tax rises and over-zealous enforcement
* Cease funding for the IPCC, pull out of the EU’s Carbon Trading Scheme and would establish a Royal Commission that would allow scientists on both sides of the debate to research climate change and come to a conclusion

 

Can't see anything "hilarious" there. But then, I don't have Banjax's sense of humour.


Yes, it does also call for our services to be properly equipped, and yes it does call for the scrapping of the Human Rights Act (that great piece of EU legislation that is so ill-conceived that it is a charter for any ne'er do well with lawyer). Eminently sensible to me.

No, not nutters. The nutters are the socialists that have spent so many years breaking this country and our society apart.    

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Huh? :-?

my way of saying hello Nick 

but seriously - it doesn't need expanding does it? as others have said they're a disgraceful, childish, self-serving bunch of little englanders who have no idea how to behave, hence resort to cheap publicity stunts and jumping on whichever band-wagons are passing

imagine that lot got in - we'd be the laughing-stock of europe in our little bowler hats, monocles and cups of tea 

 

Have you actually READ their manifesto?  :-?

No, I didn't think so. 

hilarious isn't it 

scrap human rights? nice, real nice - nutters

increase defence spending by 40%? do they know thats quite a lot of money? more than they’d ever save leaving the EU

they want to free UK from relying on middle east and russian oil, yet oppose wind farms?

300% increase in border control!! this has all been costed has it?

oh, and Norway isn’t a member of the EU? correct, technically it’s not but this makes no difference to the legislation imposed by the EU because it is a member (a founding member no less) of the European economic area - a must if you want access to the EU’s internal market......which we do don’t we?
same for the Swiss - to all intents and purposes they’re a fully functioning member of the EU

my cheques in the post - where do i sign up to these geniuses? 

In case anyone thinks that Banjax gives a balance apprasial of the UKIP manifesto, allow me to present this:

* New “Flat tax” replacing Income Tax & National Insurance
* No tax on first £11,500p.a earnings
* No tax for people on minimum wage
* VAT scrapped to be replaced by a local sales tax
* End uncontrolled mass immigration
* Work permits only for UK economic needs (as in Australia)
* Keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers who fear for their lives.
* Swiss-style referenda on key local and national issues
* Student grants, not student loans
* Invest in new high-speed rail routes and re-open selected local lines.
* Encourage electric cars, lorries and trains
* Make foreign lorries pay to use UK roads
* Stop persecuting motorists with huge tax rises and over-zealous enforcement
* Cease funding for the IPCC, pull out of the EU’s Carbon Trading Scheme and would establish a Royal Commission that would allow scientists on both sides of the debate to research climate change and come to a conclusion

 

Can't see anything "hilarious" there. But then, I don't have Banjax's sense of humour.


Yes, it does also call for our services to be properly equipped, and yes it does call for the scrapping of the Human Rights Act (that great piece of EU legislation that is so ill-conceived that it is a charter for any ne'er do well with lawyer). Eminently sensible to me.

No, not nutters. The nutters are the socialists that have spent so many years breaking this country and our society apart.    

.....You use the words socialist/socialism  ......as though they are some kind of disease Nick :-/ :-/......and the words Capitalism/Capitalist........as though we have Utopia here on Earth :-/Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid.
It is strange how .......all those nasty Capitalist..(I don't give a shit about anything ...or anybody but myself) banks/bankers....have now come running home to Socialist Mummy......who has very kindly put a multi-billion pound  Socialist plaster on their grazed capitalist knees. 

[Banjax]

Huh? :-?

my way of saying hello Nick 

but seriously - it doesn't need expanding does it? as others have said they're a disgraceful, childish, self-serving bunch of little englanders who have no idea how to behave, hence resort to cheap publicity stunts and jumping on whichever band-wagons are passing

imagine that lot got in - we'd be the laughing-stock of europe in our little bowler hats, monocles and cups of tea 

 

Have you actually READ their manifesto?  :-?

No, I didn't think so. 

hilarious isn't it 

scrap human rights? nice, real nice - nutters

increase defence spending by 40%? do they know thats quite a lot of money? more than they’d ever save leaving the EU

they want to free UK from relying on middle east and russian oil, yet oppose wind farms?

300% increase in border control!! this has all been costed has it?

oh, and Norway isn’t a member of the EU? correct, technically it’s not but this makes no difference to the legislation imposed by the EU because it is a member (a founding member no less) of the European economic area - a must if you want access to the EU’s internal market......which we do don’t we?
same for the Swiss - to all intents and purposes they’re a fully functioning member of the EU

my cheques in the post - where do i sign up to these geniuses? 

In case anyone thinks that Banjax gives a balance apprasial of the UKIP manifesto, allow me to present this:

* New “Flat tax” replacing Income Tax & National Insurance
* No tax on first £11,500p.a earnings
* No tax for people on minimum wage
* VAT scrapped to be replaced by a local sales tax
* End uncontrolled mass immigration
* Work permits only for UK economic needs (as in Australia)
* Keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers who fear for their lives.
* Swiss-style referenda on key local and national issues
* Student grants, not student loans
* Invest in new high-speed rail routes and re-open selected local lines.
* Encourage electric cars, lorries and trains
* Make foreign lorries pay to use UK roads
* Stop persecuting motorists with huge tax rises and over-zealous enforcement
* Cease funding for the IPCC, pull out of the EU’s Carbon Trading Scheme and would establish a Royal Commission that would allow scientists on both sides of the debate to research climate change and come to a conclusion

 

Can't see anything "hilarious" there. But then, I don't have Banjax's sense of humour.


Yes, it does also call for our services to be properly equipped, and yes it does call for the scrapping of the Human Rights Act (that great piece of EU legislation that is so ill-conceived that it is a charter for any ne'er do well with lawyer). Eminently sensible to me.

No, not nutters. The nutters are the socialists that have spent so many years breaking this country and our society apart.    

.....You use the words socialist/socialism  ......as though they are some kind of disease Nick :-/ :-/......and the words Capitalism/Capitalist........as though we have Utopia here on Earth :-/Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid.
It is strange how .......all those nasty Capitalist..(I don't give a shit about anything ...or anybody but myself) banks/bankers....have now come running home to Socialist Mummy......who has very kindly put a multi-billion pound  Socialist plaster on their grazed capitalist knees. 

very well put opti 

capitilist: someone who wants their cake, your cake and everyone else's cake and eats the lot and makes us make more cakes for them and eats them.......................i had a good analogy somewhere and lost my train of thought 

[Nickbat]

.....You use the words socialist/socialism  ......as though they are some kind of disease Nick :-/ :-/......and the words Capitalism/Capitalist........as though we have Utopia here on Earth :-/Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid.
It is strange how .......all those nasty Capitalist..(I don't give a shit about anything ...or anybody but myself) banks/bankers....have now come running home to Socialist Mummy......who has very kindly put a multi-billion pound  Socialist plaster on their grazed capitalist knees. 

Socialism:
a political theory advocating state ownership of industry.
an economic system based on state ownership of capital.

Do I think it's fundamentally wrong? Yes.

"...and the words Capitalism/Capitalist..."

Didn't use either of those terms in my post. 
(A visit to Specsavers required, maybe?  )

I believe in private enterprise and personal liberty. Period.

[Banjax]

.....You use the words socialist/socialism  ......as though they are some kind of disease Nick :-/ :-/......and the words Capitalism/Capitalist........as though we have Utopia here on Earth :-/Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid.
It is strange how .......all those nasty Capitalist..(I don't give a shit about anything ...or anybody but myself) banks/bankers....have now come running home to Socialist Mummy......who has very kindly put a multi-billion pound  Socialist plaster on their grazed capitalist knees. 

Socialism:
a political theory advocating state ownership of industry.
an economic system based on state ownership of capital.

Do I think it's fundamentally wrong? Yes.

"...and the words Capitalism/Capitalist..."

Didn't use either of those terms in my post. 
(A visit to Specsavers required, maybe?  )

I believe in private enterprise and personal liberty. Period.

what's private about the taxpayer bailing out the banks? capitilism needs regulation - you can't operate on Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" mantra it's proven to fail and fail spectacularly

put the railways back in taxpayer hands, give the gas, electricity and water back to the taxpayer after it was stolen from us, come down hard on the tax dodging mega-rich - so what if it drives them out - they've proven useless at generating wealth for anyone but themselves - go live elsewhere you fat greedy tinkers. the sooner we stop pandering to this great capitilist myth the better - capitilism can't work without exploitation, without greed and without government aid when it all goes tits up 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

.....You use the words socialist/socialism  ......as though they are some kind of disease Nick :-/ :-/......and the words Capitalism/Capitalist........as though we have Utopia here on Earth :-/Not quite as simple as that I'm afraid.
It is strange how .......all those nasty Capitalist..(I don't give a shit about anything ...or anybody but myself) banks/bankers....have now come running home to Socialist Mummy......who has very kindly put a multi-billion pound  Socialist plaster on their grazed capitalist knees. 

Socialism:
a political theory advocating state ownership of industry.
an economic system based on state ownership of capital.

Do I think it's fundamentally wrong? Yes.

"...and the words Capitalism/Capitalist..."

Didn't use either of those terms in my post. 
(A visit to Specsavers required, maybe?  )

I believe in private enterprise and personal liberty. Period.

what's private about the taxpayer bailing out the banks? capitilism needs regulation - you can't operate on Gordon Gecko's "greed is good" mantra it's proven to fail and fail spectacularly

put the railways back in taxpayer hands, give the gas, electricity and water back to the taxpayer after it was stolen from us, come down hard on the tax dodging mega-rich - so what if it drives them out - they've proven useless at generating wealth for anyone but themselves - go live elsewhere you fat greedy tinkers. the sooner we stop pandering to this great capitilist myth the better - capitilism can't work without exploitation, without greed and without government aid when it all goes tits up 

 Nickbat........always seems to overlook this small point BJ: .....I always thought that private enterprise was all about self reliance.....and not being a drain on the taxpayer........Apparently not ......The Banks are fully aware that they will be bailed out time and time again by the taxpayer.......only capitalists when it suits them it seems......... taking all the profits........responsible for none of the losses...... :-/ :-/ :-/

[Nickbat]

Nickbat........always seems to overlook this small point BJ: .....I always thought that private enterprise was all about self reliance.....and not being a drain on the taxpayer........Apparently not ......The Banks are fully aware that they will be bailed out time and time again by the taxpayer.......only capitalists when it suits them it seems......... taking all the profits........responsible for none of the losses...... :-/ :-/ :-/

I don't overlook things,Optimist.

1. The banking crisis began in the US. There is credible evidence that the seeds were sown as a result of political interference in the markets during the Carter administration when banks were forced into making loans to less-than-creditworthy sections of the Americn society for political reasons.

2. The banks did not go  "running home to Socialist Mummy" for bail outs, as Bj suggests. Several banks refused help (e.g Barclays) while others accepted the stock guarantees as part of the restructuring requested by the  government (e.g. Lloyds). Several banks in the US also refused state assistance. In the UK it was not a crisis caused by private enterprise, nor solved by socialism. It was, if anything a crisis caused not only by White House interference in the housing market, but exacerbated by the global market, to which both socialist and capitalist states contribute.

3. Where you allege that "taxpayers" money is graciously handed out by these wonderful socialists, perhaps you should wonder where this money actually comes from. Prior to the crisis, the banks and others gave absolutely huge amounts of tax to the Treasury, whereupon our wonderful socialist government embarked on an irresponsible spending spree (hence the fact that we're bankrupt now). So, all this talk of bank greed and dear old Mummy Socialist kindly handing out it's own hard-earned cash to help them is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, Optimist, you should remember that it is private enterprise - including, and especially, the financial sector during the good times - that pays for all the public sector largesse of which you seem to be so enamoured.

  

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Nickbat........always seems to overlook this small point BJ: .....I always thought that private enterprise was all about self reliance.....and not being a drain on the taxpayer........Apparently not ......The Banks are fully aware that they will be bailed out time and time again by the taxpayer.......only capitalists when it suits them it seems......... taking all the profits........responsible for none of the losses...... :-/ :-/ :-/

I don't overlook things,Optimist.

1. The banking crisis began in the US. There is credible evidence that the seeds were sown as a result of political interference in the markets during the Carter administration when banks were forced into making loans to less-than-creditworthy sections of the Americn society for political reasons.

2. The banks did not go  "running home to Socialist Mummy" for bail outs, as Bj suggests. Several banks refused help (e.g Barclays) while others accepted the stock guarantees as part of the restructuring requested by the  government (e.g. Lloyds). Several banks in the US also refused state assistance. In the UK it was not a crisis caused by private enterprise, nor solved by socialism. It was, if anything a crisis caused not only by White House interference in the housing market, but exacerbated by the global market, to which both socialist and capitalist states contribute.

3. Where you allege that "taxpayers" money is graciously handed out by these wonderful socialists, perhaps you should wonder where this money actually comes from. Prior to the crisis, the banks and others gave absolutely huge amounts of tax to the Treasury, whereupon our wonderful socialist government embarked on an irresponsible spending spree (hence the fact that we're bankrupt now). So, all this talk of bank greed and dear old Mummy Socialist kindly handing out it's own hard-earned cash to help them is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, Optimist, you should remember that it is private enterprise - including, and especially, the financial sector during the good times - that pays for all the public sector largesse of which you seem to be so enamoured.

  

......I seriously doubt that we will ever agree on this subject ...Nick..

[albitz]

I dont know why your bothering speaking sense to these two Nickbat.The pair of them know slightly less than nothing on the subjects they choose to rant about and have very closed minds and are therefore unable to learn anything about anything. your wasting your time mate.

[Banjax]

Nickbat........always seems to overlook this small point BJ: .....I always thought that private enterprise was all about self reliance.....and not being a drain on the taxpayer........Apparently not ......The Banks are fully aware that they will be bailed out time and time again by the taxpayer.......only capitalists when it suits them it seems......... taking all the profits........responsible for none of the losses...... :-/ :-/ :-/

I don't overlook things,Optimist.

1. The banking crisis began in the US. There is credible evidence that the seeds were sown as a result of political interference in the markets during the Carter administration when banks were forced into making loans to less-than-creditworthy sections of the Americn society for political reasons.

2. The banks did not go  "running home to Socialist Mummy" for bail outs, as Bj suggests. Several banks refused help (e.g Barclays) while others accepted the stock guarantees as part of the restructuring requested by the  government (e.g. Lloyds). Several banks in the US also refused state assistance. In the UK it was not a crisis caused by private enterprise, nor solved by socialism. It was, if anything a crisis caused not only by White House interference in the housing market, but exacerbated by the global market, to which both socialist and capitalist states contribute.

3. Where you allege that "taxpayers" money is graciously handed out by these wonderful socialists, perhaps you should wonder where this money actually comes from. Prior to the crisis, the banks and others gave absolutely huge amounts of tax to the Treasury, whereupon our wonderful socialist government embarked on an irresponsible spending spree (hence the fact that we're bankrupt now). So, all this talk of bank greed and dear old Mummy Socialist kindly handing out it's own hard-earned cash to help them is complete nonsense.

Perhaps, Optimist, you should remember that it is private enterprise - including, and especially, the financial sector during the good times - that pays for all the public sector largesse of which you seem to be so enamoured.

  

to take your points 1 by 1 Nick

1) no-one has ever forced a bank into doing anything other than serving its own bottom line

2) Barclays went cap-in-hand to the saudis for a private bail-out, my suspicion remains they don't want govt snooping in their tax-avoiding books - and i can't take credit for Opti's wonderful line 

3) this last point beggars belief, the huge amounts of tax are dwarfed by the massive amounts of tax they don't pay - squirrelling through every loophole in the book so let's put the violins away for now.

i do admire the chutzpah tho Nick, really I do - but even you have to let go of the great banking philanthropism bs - no-ones buying (shares in banks anymore)  8-)