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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #15 on: 09 April 2007, 23:18:27 »

oh well, looks like i m getting the restore disks out and putting in some serious hours getting the books back in order then......

bugger  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #16 on: 09 April 2007, 23:19:44 »

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Do you have a 2nd HDD to install an OS onto to copy off data?


It's a laptop... he'll need one of the 2.5"-3.5" adapters or a USB ghost/clone kits...  :(

Or boot it from a CD that gives network access (and if required NTFS read ability) ;)
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #17 on: 09 April 2007, 23:19:50 »

jay w, for around a Fiver you can get an adaptor that will allow you to connect your laptop's hard disk in a normal desktop PC. Get the adapter, take out the laptop drive, copy all the data to the desktop, then put the drive back in the laptop and give it a clean Vista install including re-format...
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #18 on: 09 April 2007, 23:20:28 »

its a desktop, all i have is the restore discs that came with it when i bought it.

I have a standalone hard disk unit and the new laptop
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #19 on: 09 April 2007, 23:20:31 »

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Do you have a 2nd HDD to install an OS onto to copy off data?


It's a laptop... he'll need one of the 2.5"-3.5" adapters or a USB ghost/clone kits...  :(

Or boot it from a CD that gives network access (and if required NTFS read ability) ;)


Bart's PE boot CD....  ;)
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #20 on: 09 April 2007, 23:21:28 »

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Do you have a 2nd HDD to install an OS onto to copy off data?


It's a laptop... he'll need one of the 2.5"-3.5" adapters or a USB ghost/clone kits...  :(

Or boot it from a CD that gives network access (and if required NTFS read ability) ;)


Bart's PE boot CD....  ;)
Universal Network Boot disk and NTFSDos ;)
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #21 on: 09 April 2007, 23:24:15 »

well - you have to bear in mind that hard drives are a mechanical item with fancy electronic parts. At the end of the day, all mechanical parts fail eventually. That's not considering less frequent occurences like power surges which can kill electronics (eg the board on the hard drive). If you have no backup then you are taking a big risk if the data on the drive is valuable!

Ideally you should back up the entire PC to a seperate hard drive - external drives are cheap enough nowadays, you could back up your entire drive to one of those and disconnect it when not in use.

A virus can't infect a disk that's not connected ...

Failing that, just back up the important data, you might even want to back that up to (decent quality) DVDs as well to make sure.

And as TheBoy said - and many years working on PCs for a living a few years ago confirmed - forget upgrading something as fundamental as an operating system. The phrase in this case being "Feet of clay" - when you've been running a PC for a while it's had software installed and removed, files updated, all sorts of settings changed from standard - so an upgrade can work on one system but be very unstable on another - essentially there's no real way of knowing what condition the system was in before the upgrade. A clean installation (ie, back up all files and data, wipe hard drive and start all over again) is the only way to be certain as then you are going from a known good starting point ... it's a pain to do, but unfortunately experience (unless you get lucky) tends to show it's the only way.

It's a bit like using pattern cam cover gaskets on the omega instead of genuine Vx - as you said, live & learn ::)
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #22 on: 10 April 2007, 07:18:02 »

Another thing worth considering in future....is to put the OS on one partition and your data on another.

I do this.....ie my laptop has a 10Gb partition for XP and a 40GB partition for all apps and my data.

Advantage of doing it this way is if the OS dies.....like XP did a week ago on my laptop.....its easy to format the OS partition and re-install the OS.....leaving the apps/data partition untouched  :y
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« Reply #23 on: 10 April 2007, 09:58:44 »

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i'm in the process of upgrading the pc from XP to vista.


It is a downgrade, why do you want to install all the MS spyware and DRM rubbish?

My next PC will still be XP Pro
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« Reply #24 on: 10 April 2007, 10:00:08 »

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didnt back up important info before upgrade..?

is vista expensive? my computer is less than a year old on XP and i considered a vista upgrade when it was released, but not sure what difference it would make!

Advantages Direct X 10, looks nice.

Disadvantages More MS Spy Ware, lot more DRM stuff.

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« Reply #25 on: 10 April 2007, 10:29:46 »

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didnt back up important info before upgrade..?

is vista expensive? my computer is less than a year old on XP and i considered a vista upgrade when it was released, but not sure what difference it would make!

Advantages Direct X 10, looks nice.

Disadvantages More MS Spy Ware, lot more DRM stuff.

That shows a lack of understanding.  Vista's DRM has moved from media player etc into OS core.  Remember, its not MS who decide how the DRM is used, MS simply supply the foundation, which is far better than your beloved Sony trying to retrofit using poorly coded rookits ;)

Much of the scares touted about in popularist computer press are written by 'journalists' again with no understanding.  Read the proper trade press ;). Or as a programmer, read the sdk and ddks ;)

Saying that, for the consumer, there is not much new in Vista, except better security/resilience.  Its for the corporates where Vista really shines (in same way as XP Home wasn't a big upgrade from w2k - all the upgrades were in Pro (and only come into play when connected to AD))
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #26 on: 10 April 2007, 10:30:35 »

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Another thing worth considering in future....is to put the OS on one partition and your data on another.

I do this.....ie my laptop has a 10Gb partition for XP and a 40GB partition for all apps and my data.

Advantage of doing it this way is if the OS dies.....like XP did a week ago on my laptop.....its easy to format the OS partition and re-install the OS.....leaving the apps/data partition untouched  :y
Apps will probably still need reinstalling ;)
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Re: PC issue Help!!
« Reply #27 on: 10 April 2007, 11:40:39 »

Visa also eats resources, need minimum of 1GB Ram, 128Mb graphics card (for the direct x desktop)

Many business will not upgrade until at least SP1 is released for it, and as pointed out there is nothing really for the consumer... XP Pro is a fine OS for home / small business use.

I won't be upgrading until i get the O/S with a new PC....

As for your problem Jay... I suggest:

Remove the hard disc from you PC and buy a external case for i (eBay for around £5/£10)t. This will turn it into a USB external drive, plug it in your laptop and then you should be able to see all the files, copy essentials across and put the HD back in the PC, re-formatt and away you go...

If you run out of space on the laptop, buy an external hard drive. eBuyer is good, can get a 320GB one for around £60... they are also useful for backups, i have a program that runs every night at 10pm and backups up MyDocuments to my other external hard drive.

They are also useful when re-formatting, as a complete copy of everything is on the external hard drives  ;) I have 4 of them, all "Western Digital MyBooks" 2 x 320Gb  &  2 x 250Gb"
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