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[MutantCav]

Hi Guys,

I'm planning on replacing my Canon EOS 10D with a second hand one...I'm happy with it but the built in flash doesnt work any more (since it got dropped off the top of a unit and landed on the flash!).

Obviously as you go up the camera scale the price increases...so does anyone know what I would be getting for my money by upgrading and what upgrades are worth making?? Will higher max pixels mean better picture?? Is it worth having the full frame functionality of the 5D/1D??

I dont want a full spec run down of each camera, I can look at that for myself, just any thoughts on what functions would be REALLY useful and make the extra money worth while for any upgrade...or should I just stick with another 10D and be happy with it?

Also if anyone has one of the above for sale then PM me with a rough price I mostly do wedding photography but worth covering the range of potential shooting facilities

[MAMS]

ok here's a basic thing...

the xxxD series (300D, 350D, 400D, 450D, 500D, 550D) are aimed (normally) at amatuers and beginners the 500D is 15MP, the 550D is 18MP

the xxD (10d, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D) are all more pro-am level all still crop sensors but have a magnesium alloy body and are bigger in the hand than the xxxD series and feel much sturdier. the 50D is 15MP

the xD series (5D, 5DMKII, 7D) are the beginnings of the pro series the 5D's being full frame the 7D being a crop - 5DmkII is 21MP the 7D is 18MP

the 1D series are all pro spec ones and the prices reflect that

do you have any specific questions let me know - as a canon user and currently doing my HND in photography i should be able to answer any questions, if you're looking to buy new at decent prices drop me a PM and i'll put you onto a guy who imports from the US into the UK so prices much better although it is a US camera (although the warranty will be international).

[tigers_gonads]

what lens are you using chris ?

i was going too replace my 300d but to be honest, i'm going too save the money and keep a look out for some nice "is" lenses 

[MAMS]

what lens are you using chris ?

i was going too replace my 300d but to be honest, i'm going too save the money and keep a look out for some nice "is" lenses 

to be fair the IS doesn't mean a huge amount look for the L series lenses, they are absolutely awesome.

camera bodies are all just black boxes and the better the glass you put on it the better the image.

you can still blow up an image from a 6mp camera to poster sizes using the right tools. using better lenses will improve the quality of the images no end

[ScottieMV6]

I have a EOS 40D and find it excellent. Feels very sturdy and well built. Its 12MP and to be honest unless you are printing super huge you don't really need anything more than that!

Make sure you get a decent lens or 2 though. Canon's own lenses are very good but quite expensive. Sigma lenses are good quality for a lot less money

[MAMS]

Sigma lenses are good value for money but comparing like for like with the canon L series is like a GLS to an Elite, basically they do the same things, one just does it much better

[MutantCav]

Currently using a Canon 28-80mm powered lens not sure I can afford an L lens until I move back down south and build up my business again

[MAMS]

Currently using a Canon 28-80mm powered lens not sure I can afford an L lens until I move back down south and build up my business again

what are you looking to do with the camera? that might help me suggest a camera and lenses that might work.

(i know what i said sounded a bit camera snobbery, for info i have a 20d, a 500d and a mix of canon and sigma lenses with only a 70-200 f4L being my only L series lens )

[Kevin Wood]

The key questions have to be what are you doing with the pictures and what subjects are you taking?

If pictures never go beyond A4 size and the subjects are generally static and easy to capture then sounds like a second hand 10D will serve you as well as anything else. More megapixels will just mean larger files.

On the other hand, if you're taking photos of motorsport (for example) you might be better off getting something with a faster AF system (for example - I haven't used a 10D enough to know how it performs, but I wouldn't mind betting it's not class leading). If you just take snapshots and landscapes that won't be an advantage.

If you enlarge pictures to poster size or often have to crop them heavily, more megapixels won't go amiss.

Also bear in mind that a full frame camera will affect the field of view of your existing lenses and might make them an inappropriate choice. I would say a full frame DSLR is an advantage only in lighting conditions that really challenge a small format DSLR with respect to noise. i.e. low light, or where image quality has to be the best attainable.

As already said, lenses can make the biggest difference to your results, depending on your choice of subject, so blowing your whole budget on a body may not be a wise move.

Why don't you look at your current results from the  10D and try to see if you can identify its' weaknesses? If you can't then another one will be fine IMHO.

Or.. On another tack, I find built-in flashes on DSLRs to be universally sh1te, so get yourself a nice external flash that gives you a bit more flexibility in how you light the subject (by bouncing, remoting it from the body, etc.) and ignore the fact that the one on your body is bust.

Kevin

[tigers_gonads]

what lens are you using chris ?

i was going too replace my 300d but to be honest, i'm going too save the money and keep a look out for some nice "is" lenses 

to be fair the IS doesn't mean a huge amount look for the L series lenses, they are absolutely awesome.

camera bodies are all just black boxes and the better the glass you put on it the better the image.

you can still blow up an image from a 6mp camera to poster sizes using the right tools. using better lenses will improve the quality of the images no end

sadly, due too my old job , i ain't got the steadyist hands anymore 

[Marks DTM Calib]

I am not so keen on the siggma lenses, they are ok opticaly but, I have always found the seals dont last long...

[ChevetteNick]

I waited for the 30D to be released when i bought mine because the 20D was not a worthwhile upgrade from the 10D. Buy the fastest CF card you can afford you'd be amazed at the speed differences.

[Kevin Wood]

what lens are you using chris ?

i was going too replace my 300d but to be honest, i'm going too save the money and keep a look out for some nice "is" lenses 

to be fair the IS doesn't mean a huge amount look for the L series lenses, they are absolutely awesome.

camera bodies are all just black boxes and the better the glass you put on it the better the image.

you can still blow up an image from a 6mp camera to poster sizes using the right tools. using better lenses will improve the quality of the images no end

sadly, due too my old job , i ain't got the steadyist hands anymore 

IS can mean a couple of extra stops of light. Not to be sniffed at in challenging conditions but, again, depends what you tend to shoot, and if you're serious enough to always have a tripod and/or a powerful flash gun to hand it's probably less of an issue.

Then again, I've got it built into my DSLR body so I don't have to choose.

Kevin

[MutantCav]

I actually already have a Canon Speedlite 420EX which I have started using again due to the flash problems. Just thought it would be handy for the sake of £100 to have a fully working camera for convenience...then wondered if it was worth upgrading at all...

TBH I only generally photograph people, weddings & kids mostly. The 10D has a good range and is quick enough for whatever I have shot so far...

Might well think about investing the money in an L lens then work on being far more careful with the equipment lol

Can always upgrade I guess if I have a specific need in the future that requires it.

Worth knowing that the 10D to 20D wasnt worth the bother...any decent advantages of the higher ones 30D/40D/50D or just the same but higher resolution?? Obviously the main advantage would be picture quality but if there is no significant or noticable difference then I dont think I will bother!

[MAMS]

biggest advantages of a 40d/50d over the 10d is larger screens, live view (if you'll use it), better low light performance and faster and better image processors for getting the most out of the files.

not sure about the 40d but the 50d deffo has sensor cleaning in built too which can be handy.