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[Nickbat]

"We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few."

http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html

How fascist is that statement on their website?

A plain nasty threat. These Greenies aren't the nice cuddly people they pretend to be. 

Mind you, if you read the comments below, they seem to have antagonised many of their members.

Note: Greenpeace is a Registered Charity.

[ChevetteNick]

How fascist is that statement on their website?

Very fascist to the point of being dangerous. Because they're not right wing they are not deemed fascists though

[Nickbat]

How fascist is that statement on their website?

Very fascist to the point of being dangerous. Because they're not right wing they are not deemed fascists though

I like that comment. Very astute.

So often the left use "fascist" to denote extreme right-wing, but the German Nazis were indeed national socialists.

[ChevetteNick]

I like that comment. Very astute.

Cheers

So often the left use "fascist" to denote extreme right-wing, but the German Nazis were indeed national socialists.

Aren't you a fascist if you are a national socialist but not if you are just a socialist?

[albitz]

Sadly, it neither surprises or shocks. An organisation which originally had good intentions has been hijacked by a bunch of loonies, just as so many others have. The problem is that people in positions of power/influence take them seriously.

[Martin_1962]

How fascist is that statement on their website?

Very fascist to the point of being dangerous. Because they're not right wing they are not deemed fascists though

LEft Wing Right Wing is NOTHING to do with fascism, most fascist are very left wing

[cem_devecioglu]

How fascist is that statement on their website?

Very fascist to the point of being dangerous. Because they're not right wing they are not deemed fascists though

I like that comment. Very astute.

So often the left use "fascist" to denote extreme right-wing, but the German Nazis were indeed national socialists[/b].

 :-?

it was in name not reflecting the truth actually :-/

and nowadays there are many socialist parties around which also dont have any relation 

[cem_devecioglu]

or do the meaning of "socialist" has changed since and I dont know :-?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

or do the meaning of "socialist" has changed since and I dont know :-?

It is just one step away Cem from "socialist" becoming "National Socialism". 

Judging by the web site Nick has found  Green Peace is heading that way!

[cem_devecioglu]

or do the meaning of "socialist" has changed since and I dont know :-?

It is just one step away Cem from "socialist" becoming "National Socialism". 

Judging by the web site Nick has found  Green Peace is heading that way!

I've read  and the only thing I understand is that they tried legal, logical channels and didnt work.. and now say its time for action..

why not..

imo ,they are raping the world, our childrens future (although I dont have one but doesnt matter ), oxygen and everything.. and none of those politicians ,
high profit makers care about it..

let alone the climate discussions all energy sources are nearly depleted, most of soil and water resources are being chemically poisoned.. for what , some may have uncountable sums in their bank account..

and these problems can not be simplified as sequences of development.. 

think simple.. we dont need many chemical ,plastic, electronic bits in our life to survive.. none of them were existent hundred years ago..

and also ask a question, why cities need to be so crowded and we need to transport in heavy traffic and fight with each other.. etc etc..

anyway what I'm sure is there are many wrong things about the current system..

ps : the question about cities is particularly interesting.. for the answer think about the beginning of industrial revolution era..

although the actual forming  of cities goes for long in history the exact reason was very similiar 

[Banjax]

"If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:"

the voices in your head finally have a website Nick!!

twice today Godwins law has been invoked - what is it? holiday fever? seems no one can be bothered making any case today - invoke the nazis/fascism/hitler you lose the argument....i thought this was common knowledge   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

"If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:"

the voices in your head finally have a website Nick!!

twice today Godwins law has been invoked - what is it? holiday fever? seems no one can be bothered making any case today - invoke the nazis/fascism/hitler you lose the argument....i thought this was common knowledge   

The problem is BJ that our western liberal democracy is being erroded by central power and doctrine.  Our ability to achieve what we politically desire by democratic means is under attack, yet again, from those who believe they know better than the masses.  People who will do anything to achieve there aims, even if they are a very small minority.  Individuals who believe not in personal socialism, with the right to look after the people, but consider it better to have a whole state "who know" what the people need; a state that controls how we think, how we act, and how we must never question or damage the "state" they are trying to create in their image, with the individual and their rights secondary to that state.  Suddenly, to repeat sadly yet again, you jump from socialism to full blown National Socialism.

We ARE many steps away from that currently, but just a few twists of fate here, the creation of a leader there, the mass of people disinterested in voting everywhere, and the state is on its way to something most of us never want to see again.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

PS Before anyone challenges me on this, I am NOT of course suggesting Green Peace could ever form a National Socialist state!!  That would be ridiculous!

No, what I am outlining is that GP are using the kind of bullying tactics associated with National Socialist politics, and a tactic that is growing in politics across Europe, but even more alarmingly by our current government!  GB and gang believe they know whats best for us all, and are lying, cheating, manipulating, stealing and using bully tactics to make their policies stick and achieve a "nanny" socialist state for us all.
They are taking away our rights, drip by drip, in the "interests of the state", which is not many chapters away from achieving National Socialism.  That is not alarmist talk, but just highlighting the course we are now on, and a few "interested" parties, like GP, who desire certain goals,  only can aggravate the "situation".







But, of course, all this political trend will cease with the coming of the Conservatives at the forthcoming General Election! 8-) 8-)

[Nickbat]

"If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:"

the voices in your head finally have a website Nick!!

twice today Godwins law has been invoked - what is it? holiday fever? seems no one can be bothered making any case today - invoke the nazis/fascism/hitler you lose the argument....i thought this was common knowledge   

Another post that says nothing.

In fact, note this:
"At the suggestion of France’s science minister, Valérie Pécresse, France’s National Academy of Sciences will hold an official debate on climate change to try to defuse this newly explosive issue.

The Academy of Sciences debate, expected to be held by October of this year, follows two months of heated debate on radio and television, during which France’s two most prominent sceptics, Claude Allegre and Vincent Courtillot [a member of the GWPF's Academic Advisory Council], have sown great doubt in the minds of a once unskeptical French public. Allegre’s new book, L'imposture climatique (The Climate Fraud), has especially caused the French public to reconsider the conventional wisdom about global warming. In this runaway best-seller (110,000 copies sold to date), Allegre, France’s most celebrated scientist and a former Science Minister in a socialist government, calls the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a "mafia-like system" that promotes a "baseless myth" about climate change."

http://www.thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/761-france-to-hold-official-debate-on-global-warming.html


So, at least the French realise the science is NOT settled. Yet Greenpeace still feels it OK to invoke the spirit of Krystallnacht with its "we know where you are" threats.

Godwins Law does not apply when Nazi tactics are real.

[cem_devecioglu]

"If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:"

the voices in your head finally have a website Nick!!

twice today Godwins law has been invoked - what is it? holiday fever? seems no one can be bothered making any case today - invoke the nazis/fascism/hitler you lose the argument....i thought this was common knowledge   

Another post that says nothing.

In fact, note this:
"At the suggestion of France’s science minister, Valérie Pécresse, France’s National Academy of Sciences will hold an official debate on climate change to try to defuse this newly explosive issue.

The Academy of Sciences debate, expected to be held by October of this year, follows two months of heated debate on radio and television, during which France’s two most prominent sceptics, Claude Allegre and Vincent Courtillot [a member of the GWPF's Academic Advisory Council], have sown great doubt in the minds of a once unskeptical French public. Allegre’s new book, L'imposture climatique (The Climate Fraud), has especially caused the French public to reconsider the conventional wisdom about global warming. In this runaway best-seller (110,000 copies sold to date), Allegre, France’s most celebrated scientist and a former Science Minister in a socialist government, calls the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a "mafia-like system" that promotes a "baseless myth" about climate change."

http://www.thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/761-france-to-hold-official-debate-on-global-warming.html


So, at least the French realise the science is NOT settled. Yet Greenpeace still feels it OK to invoke the spirit of Krystallnacht with its "we know where you are" threats.

Godwins Law does not apply when Nazi tactics are real.

hear hear.. which are the other(s)