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[cem_devecioglu]

Del Boy -- I can't argue with what you have said.

Penfold -- the rubbish posted on other forums is irrelevant -- if I wanted to read that I would join the Corsa forum ( unless I had to own one first!)

The moaning is because this forum is in danger of following the likes of the Corsa forum down the same pan.

This was ( still is -- just) a great place to be, but is in danger of degenerating. Like our ancient friend, Jereboam, I have little technical expertise, and I am guessing no-one will give a rat's if I stay or if I go. Should I choose to leave it will not be a dummy spitting exercise, but a calm and long thought about action, simply because this has become somewhere I no longer wish to be.

However, I defend my right to express my concerns and try to protect what I cherish ... the old camraderie that used to exist.

Don't leave mate, I always thought you were a very good member of the community, although very quiet lately. If you wish to do so and you feel it's best for you though then do it but, you will be missed 

agreed.. and by the way good to see you again Holy Count

[HolyCount]

Well to be honest I think this forum is very well spoken considering the variety of people on it and I think nothing is ever said that cant be sorted out without need for personal attacks......

And the Corsa posts arent irrelevant at all, the fact is that they disprove the theory that this forum has gone "down the pan"......

OOF is FAR FAR better language and topic wise than MANY other forums out there so why dont we all start to realise that a bit.......?

 

I realise what you are saying Penfold. Yes, OOF is far far better. But it has been far far better than it is now.  But, then, I am one of those sad old goats that oft harken to the "good old days" (albeit only a year or so ago !!! )

[webby23]

Fair enough HC

Do we not all have to accept though, that as a public forum, all kinds of people using all kinds of language will post on here......?

And as mentioned before it isnt just members that swear on here.......!!!

Just needs putting into perspective a bit, and if you know OOF contains swearing, maybe its not a good idea to view it whilst a little un is sitting on your knee.......?

 

[Del Boy]

Del Boy ... to a certain extent I accept what you say ... but you quote "7000 members" ... in reality there are less than 200 (probably less than 100 ??) regular posters, and around 50 "prolific" posters ....  so why do the newcomers not join in

Perhaps they get put off by reading a thread where 3/4 folks are having a slanging match involving "break off" "piss off" etc etc etc. You might say that those people have the right to say what they want .. but this forum is supposed to be for ALL members .. not a few private conversations.

The argument is "it's only banter" ....  no it's not .. after 38 years in the military I know what banter is, likewise I know what bad language is. The major point is I also know when, and where, to use either.

And a public forum is not the place.

As others have said .. far more eloquently than I ..... the "moaning", as it has been called, is actually an attempt to save the forum from disintegrating ... we either say nowt and leave... at which point the forum will, eventually, fold .. or we speak out and try and correct things.

The Admins do a fantastic job ... but, IMHO, much of what they now have to do should not be neccesary, if people actually considered the way they behave.

Just my views, nowt else.

I totally accept what you say mate  But any new member must realise that a public forum will have swearing etc, if they don't do it then thats fine but don't stay away because somebody else does it. If I swore half as much on here as I do in 'real life' I would've been out of the door years ago, I'm not a huge swearer (is that actually a word?) on here anyway but I do, do it occasionally if it offends anyone then tell me and I'll put a stop to it there and then. As you said though it is for all members so, if people on here want to swear (obviously within reason, and not overly excessive) they should be able to do so, as should members who don't like the swearing be able to stand up and say something about it.

[HolyCount]

Entwood sums it up very well 

Thank you for the welcomes back (welcome backs??).  I have been in purdah for the last few months (as in being shut off from the world as opposed to the more correct definition of hiding of women from the eyes of men).

[webby23]

HC

"welcoming me back"

 

[HolyCount]

Fair enough HC

Do we not all have to accept though, that as a public forum, all kinds of people using all kinds of language will post on here......?

And as mentioned before it isnt just members that swear on here.......!!!

Just needs putting into perspective a bit, and if you know OOF contains swearing, maybe its not a good idea to view it whilst a little un is sitting on your knee.......?

 

But  ... this is the point !! Not too far in the past you could vbrowse the forum with the kids on your knee --- indeed several members kid's actually signed up! It WAS a "safe" place to visit. Yes, we "grown ups" can all ( and do) use some pretty colourful language in certain circumstances -- but we all know where to leave it out and the forum WAS a "family" forum where kids could roam.

[HolyCount]

HC

"welcoming me back"

 

Heh, heh --- thank you Penfold. English is my first language -- but senility often gets in the way these days 

[webby23]

I am sorry HC but I cant see this forum ever being 100% "kid friendly".......especially whilst Skruntie is posting up his "NWS"'s..........!!!!

And I have been aware in the not so distant past of Admins using langauge too that I wouldnt want my lads to read.....

So i dont let my lads on here........one is 12 and the other is 4


 

[Del Boy]

HC

"welcoming me back"

 

Heh, heh --- thank you Penfold. English is my first language -- but senility often gets in the way these days 

[webby23]

HC

"welcoming me back"

 

Heh, heh --- thank you Penfold. English is my first language -- but senility often gets in the way these days 

lol
 

[jonny2112]

Like many others, I was here at the inception of this great forum. Unlike many others, I had no advice or knowledge to offer, but was 'willing' to take advice and guidance from others in order to keep my Omega going. Without this help and community spirit I would have floundered, and not been able to maintain the car, either financially through a dealer, or physically by carrying out some of the jobs myself. I have been absent of late too for various reasons, but having returned I have noticed that some things have changed. For a start, the forum is much bigger than I remember, and that will bring some of the problems mentioned above. On the whole though I still think it is a great place. I know I don't often say much, but I still need guidance and help that you just couldn't get anywhere else, so hopefully I'll be staying. It's a shame that some members feel they have to leave due to some behaviour on the forum, but their wishes have to be respected, and hopefully they can return in the not too distant future.
In the meantime I would like to wish all members (past, present and considering their options) all the very best 

[HolyCount]

I am sorry HC but I cant see this forum ever being 100% "kid friendly".......especially whilst Skruntie is posting up his "NWS"'s..........!!!!

And I have been aware in the not so distant past of Admins using langauge too that I wouldnt want my lads to read.....

So i dont let my lads on here........one is 12 and the other is 4


 

I don't believe anywhere is 100% kid friendly. Yes, there has always been a modicum of bad language ( the forum is, after all, a reflection of the real world) -- but, of late, things have got downright offensive at times. I have done some "interesting" things in my past that have exposed me to pretty impressive levels of foulness and have still been offended at some of the things going on here lately.

[hotel21]

The use of 'language' is oft discussed on here.  What is currently deemed acceptable is somewhat different to that previously accepted/tolerated and, I surmise, substantially more 'Sunday go to Church' than on, for example, BarryBpys, Corsa forums et al.

What is acceptable to one person is horrendous to another.

Admins/Mods can and do loose patience as we all can and this does reflect in post content.  Sadly, this does open the gates for others.....

As always, all that is asked is that posts do not offend public decency.  The addition of NWS to a header was a hard fought battle once it was realised that the flood gates to assorted 'colourfull' postings had become acceptable to the general concensus.  Whether that standard was acceptable to the Old Guard is, obviously, open to discussion yet again but, personally, I fear we, as a forum for things Omega, has somewhat lost its path.

If we want to discuss general smutt, inuendo, soft porn and other near the knuckle things on what is intrinsically a car forum then, I would rather spend my time elsewhere sometimes....

A personal opinion, and not off Admin as a whole....  If WE (and that is the regal we, meaning ALL OOF members) do not get a grip on what WE want of the forum then, I fear, the gates of Hades are creaking open......

If this is considered a wee rant by some then so be it.  But its not meant as one.  just an observation........ 

[Lazydocker]

Well said Broocie

The members are (essentially) the people who have to decide what is wanted... But there are definitely people (myself included) who would reduce the time spent here if it went the way of Barryboys/Corsa forums etc