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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #15 on: 11 April 2010, 17:10:44 »

Moved to the general discussion area as thats what its for, not actually offering something for sale in the sales section.....   ;)

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List all the details incl mileage cam belt and price,
a photo and brief description, then leave it as a solid item, if someone is interested, the pm you?

Its realy frustrating on here sometimes as someone wants a genuine answer, and others play hide and seek with the facts and informations etc..

Simon - I see the merits and demerits of what you propose.  Ultimately, however, its upto the seller how he/she constructs their add.  OOF is not E-bay or Autotrader.  Plus, its free and targets a customer base that are actually interested in the car for sale....

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It annoys me when people just join the Forum to sell their cars etc....
This is not ebay or auto trader..... if you ain't happy advertising your items for free on here, then don't.
If you sell shit expect to get some sort of negative response.
Most people do put a picture of their car or whatever they are selling.
If they have not cleaned it, then someone stating the obvious may well help them with a sale.

DLK - I agree.  It is frustrating to see folks who post up items for sale - be they cars or parts - and contribute approximately the square root of naff all to the forum otherwise.  Nothing even in the general discussion area or - the initial concept of OOF - help maintaining/repairing their vehicles when folks request advice in the proper section.  Sad that OOF is used simply as a free sales ground for folks who have an interest in a particular marque of car...

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No. No. No. I much prefer the threads where everyone joins in and rips the seller to bits. You wouldn't deprive an old man of his entertainment, would you?

 ;D  Hence the reason for me banging on about linking an add worthy of comment back into the general discussion area!

A well structured add can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse on the face of it but its still a pigs ear beneath, however fluent, eloquent or glossy the prose advertising it may be......



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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #16 on: 11 April 2010, 17:33:27 »

h21, but as admins, is charging for trade adverts something that you have considered....?

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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #17 on: 11 April 2010, 17:36:22 »

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h21, but as admins, is charging for trade adverts something that you have considered....?

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Thought of and disregarded.  Its not an avenue we wish to go down.  When are you 'trade'?  Sell one/two/more cars a year?  Sales section is a royal PITA as it stands without making it more difficult than it already is. 

I know that a substantial percentage of the admin/mod team would happily see it binned, according to previous discussions....
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #18 on: 11 April 2010, 17:38:07 »

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h21, but as admins, is charging for trade adverts something that you have considered....?

 :y

Thought of and disregarded.  Its not an avenue we wish to go down.  When are you 'trade'?  Sell one/two/more cars a year?  Sales section is a royal PITA as it stands without making it more difficult than it already is. 

I know that a substantial percentage of the admin/mod team would happily see it binned, according to previous discussions....

It is the Admins forum, not ours, and I am sure you know it is your right to do with the forum as you see fit.

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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #19 on: 11 April 2010, 17:49:24 »

I have mentioned a template as an idea in the past, as some members put what they think at the time and then add as the thread warms up.

I personally like the info that no one ever puts, like the number of previous keepers brands of tyres (I hate buying cars with 4 differnt makes of tyres on - Personal choice I know) but if you are on a buget and then you have to lay out for tyres etc, Josh I believe even tells us the tread drpth on the sale of some of his cars - which to me wins him an extra point on a sale

I also agree with DLK - OOF members generally look out for each other, if the see something on a car, or wrong with a car, then why not mention it.  allthough the discussion of a car needs taking into general discusion as allready mentioned by Admin

Top and bottom of it is the more info you give the faster the car sells, the better detail you give the further people travel.
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #20 on: 11 April 2010, 18:46:53 »

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h21, but as admins, is charging for trade adverts something that you have considered....?

 :y

Thought of and disregarded.  Its not an avenue we wish to go down.  When are you 'trade'?  Sell one/two/more cars a year?  Sales section is a royal PITA as it stands without making it more difficult than it already is. 

I know that a substantial percentage of the admin/mod team would happily see it binned, according to previous discussions....
I bought my current Omega from Simon.

If there wasn't a 'cars for sale' section on the forum then I wouldn't be driving an Omega now.
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #21 on: 11 April 2010, 18:50:47 »

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h21, but as admins, is charging for trade adverts something that you have considered....?

 :y

Thought of and disregarded.  Its not an avenue we wish to go down.  When are you 'trade'?  Sell one/two/more cars a year?  Sales section is a royal PITA as it stands without making it more difficult than it already is. 

I know that a substantial percentage of the admin/mod team would happily see it binned, according to previous discussions....
I bought my current Omega from Simon.

If there wasn't a 'cars for sale' section on the forum then I wouldn't be driving an Omega now.

So you think it should go?  ;D
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #22 on: 11 April 2010, 19:02:00 »

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h21, but as admins, is charging for trade adverts something that you have considered....?

 :y

Thought of and disregarded.  Its not an avenue we wish to go down.  When are you 'trade'?  Sell one/two/more cars a year?  Sales section is a royal PITA as it stands without making it more difficult than it already is. 

I know that a substantial percentage of the admin/mod team would happily see it binned, according to previous discussions....
I bought my current Omega from Simon.

If there wasn't a 'cars for sale' section on the forum then I wouldn't be driving an Omega now.

So you think it should go?  ;D

PMSL   ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #23 on: 12 April 2010, 22:45:59 »

my trade rarely sees omegas, maybe one a month, paying for trade ads is no problem, as for contributing to the site, regularly answer peoples help requests and send them free / or p+p price parts.
cant say fairer than that.
the general idea of a template would help.

as it was seing peaches post where someone was realy rude that made me think, why dont you guys just have a template.

It would help you to keep the replies down and help you get the result you are after.



as for pound notes, ask josh,the omegas we get shot of, rarely turn any profit, but as an interest site for omegas, why not give you all first dibs at them.


I have suplied 5 omegas to club members over the past year, they all got extras, like free delivery, a free satnav, or something.   

Makes no ods if i advertise on here or not, but in general, as the post suggested, would be great if peoples adds contained more info.

that was all, it wasnt a patronising attempt, or a request for someone to have a go at me, when it was peaches post that received all the rude comments on it that sparked this idea!
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« Reply #24 on: 12 April 2010, 22:50:43 »

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No. No. No. I much prefer the threads where everyone joins in and rips the seller to bits. You wouldn't deprive an old man of his entertainment, would you?

 I wouldnt , but just for you STMO ;D :y
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Re: new for sale proposals?
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my trade rarely sees omegas, maybe one a month, paying for trade ads is no problem, as for contributing to the site, regularly answer peoples help requests and send them free / or p+p price parts.
cant say fairer than that.

the general idea of a template would help.

as it was seing peaches post where someone was realy rude that made me think, why dont you guys just have a template.

It would help you to keep the replies down and help you get the result you are after.



as for pound notes, ask josh,the omegas we get shot of, rarely turn any profit, but as an interest site for omegas, why not give you all first dibs at them.


I have suplied 5 omegas to club members over the past year, they all got extras, like free delivery, a free satnav, or something.   

Makes no ods if i advertise on here or not, but in general, as the post suggested, would be great if peoples adds contained more info.

that was all, it wasnt a patronising attempt, or a request for someone to have a go at me, when it was peaches post that received all the rude comments on it that sparked this idea!

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271052315

I find your views interesesting, you mention a templat as other have but when you actually advertise a car on here (Like the one above)  you seem a little short and suggest other sites where the pictures are listed.

I have been involved in the motor trade and I have to say then if you are moaming that you very rarely make a profit on an Omega then why bother buying them.  this 3.2 estate for example.  starts at 2695 but now its 1995 or 2195 with MOT Oil change and service.  So thats what, £40 MOT, £10/12 Vx oil and filter, olus air and pollen filters, plugs and possibly pads/

So you suddenly decide to drop £700 off it, the service etc covers itself for parts and labour so.  So had the car of sold origininally are you saying you would have made a nice healthy £500+ proffit on the estate.

We used to but little toyota's and colts like the mirage or colt mit=rage turbo, allways ran then for a day or two to fault find, allways did a servie and mot if less than 6 months left. Plus a full valet and even offered a warrany on them, saying that anyone who dealt with knew how we detailed the sale of a car and we had a good repution for sales.  Also valeted for a majority of the trade and had a four post ramp to do service work, contacts for paint work, weding and electrical work to a degree we carried out ourselves.  £500 outlay (Total) would easily return 750/800 all day long.  1000 motor would return 1500/1600.

Some of out trade was ex police with the traders that came to us, ok, holes to fill in, new roof linings in some, but the profit was allways there.


Basically Simon, I hate to say it, but I dont believe a trader buys any car and then says he naver makes a profit on a particular type/model, experiance tells him not to carry on doing it.  We also know the valur of the Omega range and what it costs to do the work required, also aware that £1.40 a litre wont help private or trade sell a V6 motor.

as for contributing to the site, regularly answer peoples help requests and send them free / or p+p price parts.
cant say fairer than that
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I think most of us contribute to the site one way or another.  Respect on the freebies, but thats your call for you and the others that choose to do it.


People on here will pay a fair price for a fair car, no one is knocking your trade Simon, not even me as we know you are in it to make a living.  But to come on here and start a thread regards advertising and details then take the laxy way out then sorry matey, hance I wrote this post.
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #26 on: 13 April 2010, 09:28:10 »

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I find your views interesesting, you mention a templat as other have but when you actually advertise a car on here (Like the one above)  you seem a little short and suggest other sites where the pictures are listed.

Agreed. Who's going to go trawling Ebay for pictures? The car's advertised here and the pictures should be here IMHO, and the seller should be willing to help members requesting such info - if they want to give the right impression. ;)

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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #27 on: 13 April 2010, 12:04:20 »

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Moved to the general discussion area as thats what its for, not actually offering something for sale in the sales section.....   ;)

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List all the details incl mileage cam belt and price,
a photo and brief description, then leave it as a solid item, if someone is interested, the pm you?

Its realy frustrating on here sometimes as someone wants a genuine answer, and others play hide and seek with the facts and informations etc..

Simon - I see the merits and demerits of what you propose.  Ultimately, however, its upto the seller how he/she constructs their add.  OOF is not E-bay or Autotrader.  Plus, its free and targets a customer base that are actually interested in the car for sale....

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It annoys me when people just join the Forum to sell their cars etc....
This is not ebay or auto trader..... if you ain't happy advertising your items for free on here, then don't.
If you sell shit expect to get some sort of negative response.
Most people do put a picture of their car or whatever they are selling.
If they have not cleaned it, then someone stating the obvious may well help them with a sale.

DLK - I agree.  It is frustrating to see folks who post up items for sale - be they cars or parts - and contribute approximately the square root of naff all to the forum otherwise.  Nothing even in the general discussion area or - the initial concept of OOF - help maintaining/repairing their vehicles when folks request advice in the proper section.  Sad that OOF is used simply as a free sales ground for folks who have an interest in a particular marque of car...

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No. No. No. I much prefer the threads where everyone joins in and rips the seller to bits. You wouldn't deprive an old man of his entertainment, would you?

 ;D  Hence the reason for me banging on about linking an add worthy of comment back into the general discussion area!

A well structured add can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse on the face of it but its still a pigs ear beneath, however fluent, eloquent or glossy the prose advertising it may be......



 

i find that just a little unfair. For someone like me who doesnt really know alot on the working of cars in general, let alone a certain car, how am i ment to contribute on how to fix something or improve something if the next post is someone who knows a great amount on the said car and shoots me down? I, for example, am learning at the moment. I have learnt how to do a hell of alot more things not just to me omega, but alot of cars now as a result of this forum... guides i have read, advise i have been given. The reason i dont post helpful stuff is because i dont know a great deal like some and dont particularly like being made to look a fool, so i just dont bother. I feel im ok with audio things but then we have a Audio Tech on here anyway, im fluent with PC's but then again so ar ethe admins... i think the only thing i am fairly good at which i havnt seen anyone else mention yet is graphics (PS etc)... but this is a car forum, not a GFX site.
Not having ago at u H, just find the comment i little on fair on those that genuinely dont know the answers
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #28 on: 13 April 2010, 12:41:29 »

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i find that just a little unfair. For someone like me who doesnt really know alot on the working of cars in general, let alone a certain car, how am i ment to contribute on how to fix something or improve something if the next post is someone who knows a great amount on the said car and shoots me down? I, for example, am learning at the moment. I have learnt how to do a hell of alot more things not just to me omega, but alot of cars now as a result of this forum... guides i have read, advise i have been given. The reason i dont post helpful stuff is because i dont know a great deal like some and dont particularly like being made to look a fool, so i just dont bother. I feel im ok with audio things but then we have a Audio Tech on here anyway, im fluent with PC's but then again so ar ethe admins... i think the only thing i am fairly good at which i havnt seen anyone else mention yet is graphics (PS etc)... but this is a car forum, not a GFX site.
Not having ago at u H, just find the comment i little on fair on those that genuinely dont know the answers

I think you are putting yourself down there matey.  You have a 330+ post count which straight away means you are contributing a hell of a lot more than others that never even say hello.

being a member here gets you access to all parts of the forum that members see, Admin have a hidden section for them selves. 1 post. just a hello for example gets you the chance to PM some one to buy parts or a car.  As forums go that's fantastic, Admin refuse to let advertising take over and the forum is free, all they ask is that a few simple rules are followed.  Those rules dont include replying in a technical manor, they dont force us to take part in General Chat.

All that happens here is that Admin hope that you join and take part on any level of the "Community"  I am not that smart on the repairs, but the bits I have learnt I now feel in a place to pass on the advice that helped meeven if it only how to reset the climate or windows ECU.


There are 1000's of members yet to make thier 1st post, yourself, you have contributed 334 times.   :y :y :y
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Re: new for sale proposals?
« Reply #29 on: 13 April 2010, 13:03:06 »

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i find that just a little unfair. For someone like me who doesnt really know alot on the working of cars in general, let alone a certain car, how am i ment to contribute on how to fix something or improve something if the next post is someone who knows a great amount on the said car and shoots me down?....

I think the OP didn't necessarily mean contribute in the sense of offering help and knowledge to other members. More in terms of participating in the community here as opposed to posting only to buy and sell, if you follow?

It's more a case that the "for sale" sections are seen as a tool for those who are active members of this community, and by participating in this and other discussions, you are. :y

This is the reason we have a post count limit to post items for sale. We don't want people descending on the site purely to use it as free advertising.

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