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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #60 on: 19 April 2010, 21:45:16 »

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Iceland volcano air restrictions are excessive, says European Commission.

Europe should reduce its volcanic ash flight ban to “several dozen kilometres” around Iceland and rethink the Met Office science behind the current no fly restrictions, said a senior European Commission official today.



.and while they're about it... ;) ;) ;D ;D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7607216/Iceland-volcano-air-restrictions-are-excessive-says-European-Commission.html


wait a sec - i'm confused....you're listening to the european commision now?  ::)
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #61 on: 19 April 2010, 22:33:03 »

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Iceland volcano air restrictions are excessive, says European Commission.

Europe should reduce its volcanic ash flight ban to “several dozen kilometres” around Iceland and rethink the Met Office science behind the current no fly restrictions, said a senior European Commission official today.



.and while they're about it... ;) ;) ;D ;D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7607216/Iceland-volcano-air-restrictions-are-excessive-says-European-Commission.html


wait a sec - i'm confused....you're listening to the european commision now?  ::)

No need to be confused. No one, or entity, is right 100% of the time or wrong 100% of the time.

On this occasion, it would seem that someone in the commission has made a good point.  ;)
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #62 on: 19 April 2010, 23:14:55 »

......I agree with Nick  ;D
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #63 on: 19 April 2010, 23:17:43 »

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......I agree with Nick  ;D
Who are you ?


.....And what have you done with the real Banjax ?
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #64 on: 20 April 2010, 06:32:52 »

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......I agree with Nick  ;D
Who are you ?


.....And what have you done with the real Banjax ?

normal service will be resumed shortly......

just as soon as we discover what 'normal' is  ;)
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #65 on: 20 April 2010, 11:40:53 »

Seems an awful lot of aircraft flying around Europe right now. Not in the UK, of course.

http://www.radarvirtuel.com/
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #66 on: 20 April 2010, 12:59:01 »

about 30 mins ago had a private jet fly over us (north dorset) fairly low though... why dont all aircraft follow suit? why, if the risk is at 50k feet, dont they fly at 20k?
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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #67 on: 20 April 2010, 13:09:07 »

"Mystic Met closed Europe with computer model.
And not much data"

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/20/mystic_met_volcano_model/

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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #68 on: 20 April 2010, 16:14:47 »

I really don't understand this.

Take a look at this site, with the "ash cloud" apparently superimposed, then see just how many flights are operating in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany etc.

http://www.radarvirtuel.com/

Note no movements to or from UK airports - and the ban has been extended to 1.00am, which is a problem for the 14 wide-body BA aircraft inbound across the Atlantic.

http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/BAW

 :o

Perhaps they will all be diverted to Spain, so Gordon's plan is not shelved.

Oops, sorry. Cynicism alert!  ;)

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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #69 on: 20 April 2010, 16:23:05 »

I think you are only saying what others are thinking in this case!!

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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #70 on: 20 April 2010, 16:23:24 »

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about 30 mins ago had a private jet fly over us (north dorset) fairly low though... why dont all aircraft follow suit? why, if the risk is at 50k feet, dont they fly at 20k?

Apparently the "risk", whatever that is, can be at various altitudes.  The modern engines on the large passenger jets at least are designed to fly at around the 30,000 feet mark, and the range of the aircraft is based on that.  I heard an aviation expert state that a transatlantic liner would not be able to make it across the Atlantic unless it could fly at the designed altitude.

In addition it was stated that the skies would become dangerously over crowded if all aircraft were to fly at the lower altitudes as more would be squeezed in to a smaller  air space. ;) ;)

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Re: Should the air restrictions be lifted?
« Reply #71 on: 20 April 2010, 16:32:29 »

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I heard an aviation expert state that a transatlantic liner would not be able to make it across the Atlantic unless it could fly at the designed altitude.

In addition it was stated that the skies would become dangerously over crowded if all aircraft were to fly at the lower altitudes as more would be squeezed in to a smaller  air space.

Exactly. Passenger aircraft rely on flying in very thin air to get their range and performance. Whilst there might be a little flexibility in altitude, to suggest that an airliner could do a  transatlantic flight without going over 20k feet (for example) is like suggesting that you could drive an Omega from London to Edinburgh on a tank of fuel - in 1st gear.

Outside what the aircraft is technically capable of, you have to consider what is economically viable for the operator, as well.

Over and above that, you have to consider the extra workload and crowding of the airspace involved in taking aircraft outside the usual operating regimes to "fly around / under / over" this ash - assuming you know where it is.

As I said before, we are talking about a system with very little "give" when it's working properly. Throw in a few, seemingly minor, complications and it grinds to a halt.

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