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[albitz]

If a Lib/Lab cobbled up govt. is formed I hope there is mass protest. I would actually be willing to get off my backside for that.

[jereboam]

Trying to hang on by half a finger nail, the man has no dignity,no grip on reality, completely deluded - time for the men in white coats to bring the straitjacket

No parallax.  Looking in the mirror, he can't tell the diiference between a statesman and cardboard cutout.  I won't believe he's going until he's gone.

[jereboam]

To be honest, this has almost certainly been timed to interrupt and potential destroy the Conservative/Liberal talks. Brown has probably been planning to stand down for some time, and felt it would be okay to deceive the public. I sincerly hope the general public do not tolerate a Labour/Lib coalition as a result of this.
Why didn't Brown stand down before the election campaign, or as he should have done, Friday morning.

Don't think so.  This is eBay politics.  Clegg has turned to another bidder to see what they'll offer to get him into bed.  He said "Ditch Brown, and make me an offer that beats what old Dave bid", so Mandy did that and now we might end up with Balls.   

[Nickbat]

Well, what a shambles.

Brown is an odious individual who should never have been allowed to run a sweet shop, let alone a government.

As leader of the Limp Dems, Clegg is a nobody. Actually, I think he's a dangerous nobody. However, he is also an opportunist, but one who, in his rush to get something that he doesn't deserve (power) will seal his own party's long-term destruction.

Then we come to "Cast Iron" Dave. As leader of the Conservatives, he should have walked into No 10 on Thursday night but he didn't because he is, quite simply, useless. His greatest mistake, bar none, was to give a cast-iron guarantee of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Now, whatever the circumstances of Labour signing the treaty, he should have kept his word on the referendum. But he didn't. He weasled his way out of it. Even the Limp Dems were considering a referendum on the EU (though it's probably ditched as a plan by now). He has no appeal whatsoever to traditional Tories and has spent too much time listening to his own hand-picked focus groups. Frankly, the Conservatives need to get shot of him before the next election.

It wasn't a case of Labour losing the election, it was more a case of Cameron throwing away victory. He had an open goal and missed...which doesn't say much for his political acumen.

I don't support PR or, at least I've never supported it in the past. However, that was when we had clearly defined Parties with defined manifestos. Now, all we get is three parties that argue about mundane issues like bus passes yet carefully avoid the elephants in the room (EU, debt, immigration and so on) about which many people are concerned. Although I am still very doubtful of PR, unless the three parties actually become different to one another and unless they actually start to address the real issue, the thought of having some minor parties around which are prepared to discuss the real issues becomes a little attractive.

Of course, there are those who say the the first-past-the-post system does not allow stable government. Well, we haven't got one now! And, unless the parties change their ways, the sort of result we have just witnessed will be commonplace, I fear.

I do not want PR, per se, but I do want choice...not just more of the same.

Rant over.     

[Dishevelled Den]

It's good to see Lord Peter's plan coming together so well 8-) 8-)

[albitz]

Labour were telling anyone who would listen yesterday that they wanted to extend democracy,give more power to the people, make politicians more accountable to the people.
Tonight they are saying that they will push voting reform legislation through the commons, which is presumably a bigger cherry for the Libdems than the Tory promise of a referendum on the matter.
They are at the minute in negotiations with the Libdems and the negotiations are being led by Mandelson - unelected and unaccountable to everyone but himself.
Its the politics of a central African banana republic not the mother of all democracies.
They are demeaning everything this country was once admired for. We must be a laughing stock around the world.

[SJKOO01]

It's seems to me that a deal is in the offing. Gordon Brown has announced he will be standing down and I'm guessing this will pave the way for further discussions with the Liberals. I reckon there's a good chance that we'll end up with a coalition of losers. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it really does.

It does for me also!!

Revolution anyone?    

Trouble is Lizzie, whilst we all talk about a revolution, I don't think as a country, we're prepared to actually go the whole way and fight to the end to get the government to listen.

Yet it seems in other Euro countries when 'the people' start to shout, the government start to listen otherwise they know they could be out of a job.

[Dishevelled Den]

It's seems to me that a deal is in the offing. Gordon Brown has announced he will be standing down and I'm guessing this will pave the way for further discussions with the Liberals. I reckon there's a good chance that we'll end up with a coalition of losers. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. it really does.

It does for me also!!

Revolution anyone?    

Trouble is Lizzie, whilst we all talk about a revolution, I don't think as a country, we're prepared to actually go the whole way and fight to the end to get the government to listen.

Yet it seems in other Euro countries when 'the people' start to shout, the government start to listen otherwise they know they could be out of a job.

I don't think as a country, we're prepared to actually go the whole way

I tend to agree S, the idea of an organised and necessarily widespread display of civil disobedience would fail to gain traction in my view.

Having many years experience working in an environment where such tactics were deployed as a matter of course, I can say that the notion that such a state would develop here fills me with dread.

[TheBoy]

It's good to see Lord Peter's plan coming together so well 8-) 8-)

And he is a corrupt little slimey git...

[Vamps]

After reading another thread, I'm sorry I stated this now.

And so you should be Mind, it does not matter to me, I don't read the political threads, it is just that I did not expect a serious comment from yourself.....

[eddie]

I dont understand,even at my ripe old age (skruntie take note!) why we must have Governments of different persuasions,Labour this way,Conservatives that way etc.
Why can we not have a Government of Locally elected Representatives and a Leader elected by the Members,No 'Parties'. Just get on with running the country for the good of all.

eddie

[albitz]

Clegg is looking very sheepish tonight. He had carved himself an image of being clean cut, honest, a fresh new approach to politics etc.
On Friday he said that because the Tories got most votes and seats it was only right that he should try to form a govt. with them first if possible. It now transpirees that he had met Brown in secret during his negotiations with Cameron and Cameron didnt know about it, but it got leaked to the press.
He has been caught acting at least as underhand and two faced as all the old politicians he had criticised for doing similar things.

[Kevin Wood]

Clegg is looking very sheepish tonight. He had carved himself an image of being clean cut, honest, a fresh new approach to politics etc.....

Agreed. Whatever the outcome, if another election is needed to sort this mess out a few months down the line he'll wish he'd kept his tinder dry.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

In relation to the previous post (by Kevin W) the term 'done up' and 'kipper' wouldn't be too far from the truth.

On the other hand if Labour are so desperate to hold onto power by any means - a fine example of democracy in glorious action and the desire to put the needs of the country over party - by allowing smaller groups to suckle at the depleted teats of their ravaged frame, then who are we to stand in their way?

Those smaller groups will require a greater share of the milk soon enough and as soon as things begin to sour it will only be too obvious how desirable strong majority government is.

We have been pushed into a hick European process, where no political force stands to be counted on their own merits, by a voting public befuddled by spin, celebrity, slick television presentation and the desire to press buttons rather than form opinion on their own.

What a bloody shambles.

[Sixstring]

All this succeeds in proving, is that there is NOT one clean, wholesome , honest politition out  there from ANY political party. Just a group of like-minded individuals who see opportunities for lining their own nests, and screwing the electorate.
I am so disallutioned with it all, and despair of a real end to this drivel of government based on their ability to PR themselves as a person, rather then what they can do for us as our publicly elected servants. Mr Mandelson seems to be the king of slime, pushing his back-door policies of self advancement and industrial suicide for all he touches! Gordon Brown is throwing his toys out of the pram, and mr Clegg will do anything with anybody that will advance him personally or his party, what happened to what is right for the people??

Will the last man out of the UK please close the door and put out the light?