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[kevinminton]

What are the views of the OOF rail experts on the proposals for the new High Speed rail link from London to Birmingham and further north? It sounds like a good thing to me, (a) because I am a regular commuter Birmingham - London, and (b) I like the idea of trains going through the local station at 250mph! Though I'll probably be too old to appreciate it when it's finally here. Any contrary views?

I think it is very short-sighted to have the London end terminating at Euston - with the need to drag your bags over to St Pancras for HS1 / Eurostar. I want to go straight to the mainland - Birmingham to Brussels at 400kph!

Why not have London as a T junction just like B'ham?

(Post prompted by NRMM/loading gauge thread elsewhere).

K

[tunnie]

there is going to be huge backlash with the 'not in my back yard' type people, HS2 actually passes within a mile of me in Brackley, following some of the old Great Central line.

Its at least 20 years away, and i think its going to get bogged down in red tape and protests.

There won't be a station here anyway, so could not really give stuff about it!

[Nickbat]

How about Maglev tracks built on stilts above/alongside the motorways?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMyffFFedrM 

 

[TheBoy]

I think *ALL* public transport should be made illegal, unless entirely self sustaining.

[Mr Skrunts]

If they build it it needs to cover other cities like Leeds, sheffield, edinurgh and evn further afield, it may then get some commuters off the roads.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

This is a great opportunity to link the major centres of the North and bring jobs and prosperity to those parts.  No longer will it then be necessary to over crowd the South East and South generally, spreading the population and wealth to more northerly parts. 

The benefits of building such a line commence from the very start with construction and auxiliary jobs in thousands created. During and after building the line will continue to attract jobs in many fields, with British industry being able to speedily transport it's products right across Europe.

It is ironic that the vision of a fast continental line by first Watkin, then later Sir Sam Fay was almost realised in 1899 with the completion of the Great Central "London extension" line linking the likes of Rugby, Nottingham, Loughborough, and Sheffield with the intention of connecting with a future Channel Tunnel.  Yet  it was basically closed in 1966, with the final section going in 1969.

We now need the full line to achieve the original objectives, especially as the high speed line between France and St. Pancras has been built, but as with everything else first money will be a major hurdle, then as previously stated the protests by those who don't want it in their back yards!!

The estimate of 20 years before it is actually built seems about right, but that is far from good for the future of GB plc.

[tidla]

will the route be going thru the house of commons

[TheBoy]

This is a great opportunity to link the major centres of the North and bring jobs and prosperity to those parts.  No longer will it then be necessary to over crowd the South East and South generally, spreading the population and wealth to more northerly parts. 

The benefits of building such a line commence from the very start with construction and auxiliary jobs in thousands created. During and after building the line will continue to attract jobs in many fields, with British industry being able to speedily transport it's products right across Europe.

It is ironic that the vision of a fast continental line by first Watkin, then later Sir Sam Fay was almost realised in 1899 with the completion of the Great Central "London extension" line linking the likes of Rugby, Nottingham, Loughborough, and Sheffield with the intention of connecting with a future Channel Tunnel.  Yet  it was basically closed in 1966, with the final section going in 1969.

We now need the full line to achieve the original objectives, especially as the high speed line between France and St. Pancras has been built, but as with everything else first money will be a major hurdle, then as previously stated the protests by those who don't want it in their back yards!!

The estimate of 20 years before it is actually built seems about right, but that is far from good for the future of GB plc.

Why should the majority pay for this service that is only of use to a few hundred?

Cancel the project. Build a road instead.

[tunnie]

once built as well, ticket prices will carry heavy premium.

Take note on HS1, use standard trains, £12.30 return Ashford to London. High Speed ticket? £25 return.

[tidla]

This is a great opportunity to link the major centres of the North and bring jobs and prosperity to those parts.  No longer will it then be necessary to over crowd the South East and South generally, spreading the population and wealth to more northerly parts. 

The benefits of building such a line commence from the very start with construction and auxiliary jobs in thousands created. During and after building the line will continue to attract jobs in many fields, with British industry being able to speedily transport it's products right across Europe.

It is ironic that the vision of a fast continental line by first Watkin, then later Sir Sam Fay was almost realised in 1899 with the completion of the Great Central "London extension" line linking the likes of Rugby, Nottingham, Loughborough, and Sheffield with the intention of connecting with a future Channel Tunnel.  Yet  it was basically closed in 1966, with the final section going in 1969.

We now need the full line to achieve the original objectives, especially as the high speed line between France and St. Pancras has been built, but as with everything else first money will be a major hurdle, then as previously stated the protests by those who don't want it in their back yards!!

The estimate of 20 years before it is actually built seems about right, but that is far from good for the future of GB plc.

Why should the majority pay for this service that is only of use to a few hundred?

Cancel the project. Build a road instead.

they did, its full. they named it the m1

[TheBoy]

This is a great opportunity to link the major centres of the North and bring jobs and prosperity to those parts.  No longer will it then be necessary to over crowd the South East and South generally, spreading the population and wealth to more northerly parts. 

The benefits of building such a line commence from the very start with construction and auxiliary jobs in thousands created. During and after building the line will continue to attract jobs in many fields, with British industry being able to speedily transport it's products right across Europe.

It is ironic that the vision of a fast continental line by first Watkin, then later Sir Sam Fay was almost realised in 1899 with the completion of the Great Central "London extension" line linking the likes of Rugby, Nottingham, Loughborough, and Sheffield with the intention of connecting with a future Channel Tunnel.  Yet  it was basically closed in 1966, with the final section going in 1969.

We now need the full line to achieve the original objectives, especially as the high speed line between France and St. Pancras has been built, but as with everything else first money will be a major hurdle, then as previously stated the protests by those who don't want it in their back yards!!

The estimate of 20 years before it is actually built seems about right, but that is far from good for the future of GB plc.

Why should the majority pay for this service that is only of use to a few hundred?

Cancel the project. Build a road instead.

they did, its full. they named it the m1

They already have 2 reasonable london-brum lines - Euston/Moor st? and Marylebone/Snow Hill?

More people use the M1 and M40 than use those rail links, so demand lies in the roads (which can be used by everyone on the route), rather than a line only usable by the priviledged few

[Kevin Wood]

The problem with rail travel is not how fast it goes between A and B but the hassle involved at each end of the journey. This rail link will be fantastic for people who happen to live in Euston and have an aunt in Birmingham they visit every so often.

For anyone else it'll take hours of frustration and changes of train to get to either end of the fast bit so what's the point? Improve local services so people can actually use the main lines, or don't bother and build new roads, as said.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

The problem with rail travel is not how fast it goes between A and B but the hassle involved at each end of the journey. This rail link will be fantastic for people who happen to live in Euston and have an aunt in Birmingham they visit every so often.

For anyone else it'll take hours of frustration and changes of train to get to either end of the fast bit so what's the point? Improve local services so people can actually use the main lines, or don't bother and build new roads, as said.

Kevin

For anyone else it'll take hours of frustration and changes of train to get to either end of the fast bit so what's the point? Improve local services so people can actually use the main lines,

AAh, the voice of reasoned objectivity 8-)

[STMO999]

The problem with rail travel is not how fast it goes between A and B but the hassle involved at each end of the journey. This rail link will be fantastic for people who happen to live in Euston and have an aunt in Birmingham they visit every so often.

For anyone else it'll take hours of frustration and changes of train to get to either end of the fast bit so what's the point? Improve local services so people can actually use the main lines, or don't bother and build new roads, as said.

Kevin

For anyone else it'll take hours of frustration and changes of train to get to either end of the fast bit so what's the point? Improve local services so people can actually use the main lines,

AAh, the voice of reasoned objectivity 8-)

We'll have none of that on here thank you.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Errr....HS2 does not go to Birmingham....it passes the NEC and stops at Lichfield

Thats the trouble....it dont go anywhere hence not much good.