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[OZZY4rm NOTTS]

Its nothing to do with decency and respect, its to do with lefty namby pamby political correctness, and buying into the thought police crap which permeates throughout this country nowadays.
As I mentioned in the samaritans thread I (and several others on here ) originate from the emerald isle. Do I complain when people post Irish jokes ? - nope, if they are funny I laugh at them - it is a joke, no more than that
Almost all humour is at someones expense (if you want to look at it from that perspective) so it is actually patronising imo to leave out Irish/muslims/ fill in as you think appropriate.
I dont know and dont care what colour/creed/race you are mate, it makes absolutely no difference to me, but I think you need to lighten up and have a laugh with everyone else rather than expect the forum to change its ways to suit your view of things.

What is your problem? Each time I share an opinion – thats a “no go” but you can share your as you please???

Don’t get me wrong Albs – I don’t mean to sound personal or anything – I just cannot for the life of me understand the idea behind making a mountain out of a molehill. :-/ :-/

You or the majority of the people here do not know me personally or my appreciation of humour so please don’t twist this into a personal nitpicking session.

When did I EXPECT this forum or people like you to change their or its views???  I am merely sharing my opinion like you and others are – get over that!  If you or anybody for that matter thinks racist jokes are funny and perfectly fine for everyone – that’s your opinion and I, again, well within my right of an opinion, will strongly disagree and voice that if I deem it necessary.

I have already been reprimanded for not following the rules previously, so I will alert mod if that’s what the rules expect from me.  For the record, I did not alert mods for every joke on here, I did only for one of them (not the Samaritans one mind) but did express my disagreement on the thread.

[Nickbat]

The Samaritans joke was funny, so too was the joke about the dog.

There will always be jokes about dyslexics, Alzheimers, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Japanese, Chinese, French, Germans, Irish, Scots, Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Muslims, AIDs, Bulemia, Syphilis, short people, tall people, blind people, deaf people, middle class, lower class, young people, old people, limbless people, Essex girls, blondes, redheads,  Southerners, Northerners....can I stop now?

Stereotyping for the sake of humour is natural. It has no deep meaning, no hidden hatred.

I liked the joke about the dog. It was a clear case of stereotyping, but I like to think that I am wise enough to see the humour and not cast doubts about the teller's motives.

Racism? Pah!

I was the first person to employ a black candidate in the financial sector of the City in which I was involved in the 1980s. It caused a few raised eyebrows (indeed, I was summoned to the MD's office to discuss my appointment), but I defended my decision by saying that he was the best person for a the job and the fact that he was soon head-hunted from the company bore out my views. Can I still listen to a "black" joke and find it funny? Yes. And so could he. He was a credit to his upbringing and his culture.

I am short(ish). Can I listen to a joke about short people and find it funny? Yes.

I agree with Albs that this PC stuff is indeed nonsense. Deeds, not words, are what racism is about. Long live humour. Without it we are sterile.

P.S. Lend me a fiver, I'm a bit short.   

[albitz]

What you consider to be racist and what I (and probably most other members) consider racist are two very different things, and therein lies the problem imo.
I do think that as a newbie you may be better served by spending a bit longer getting the feel of the place and understanding the humour of it before voicing your opinions so strongly.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion - individual freedom is something that I will always fiercely defend, but remember that everyone else is also entitled to theirs, and afaik you are the first person who has complained about the un-pc nature of general chat

[OZZY4rm NOTTS]

The Samaritans joke was funny, so too was the joke about the dog.

There will always be jokes about dyslexics, Alzheimers, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Japanese, Chinese, French, Germans, Irish, Scots, Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Muslims, AIDs, Bulemia, Syphilis, short people, tall people, blind people, deaf people, middle class, lower class, young people, old people, limbless people, Essex girls, blondes, redheads,  Southerners, Northerners....can I stop now?

Stereotyping for the sake of humour is natural. It has no deep meaning, no hidden hatred.

I liked the joke about the dog. It was a clear case of stereotyping, but I like to think that I am wise enough to see the humour and not cast doubts about the teller's motives.

Racism? Pah!

I was the first person to employ a black candidate in the financial sector of the City in which I was involved in the 1980s. It caused a few raised eyebrows (indeed, I was summoned to the MD's office to discuss my appointment), but I defended my decision by saying that he was the best person for a the job and the fact that he was soon head-hunted from the company bore out my views. Can I still listen to a "black" joke and find it funny? Yes. And so could he. He was a credit to his upbringing and his culture.

I am short(ish). Can I listen to a joke about short people and find it funny? Yes.

I agree with Albs that this PC stuff is indeed nonsense. Deeds, not words, are what racism is about. Long live humour. Without it we are sterile.

P.S. Lend me a fiver, I'm a bit short.   

Without encouraging US ALL going around in circles. . . you and others liked it. . . . I didnt.  To me thats very simple.

[Vamps]

I have obviously missed something or perhaps a lot perhaps it is the fact that if I read something that I do not like, or is, inmo iffy I move on and do not read it or comment on it. It may not be to my taste, lots of jokes are not, but I accept that they are not posted with any intention to offend, just to be funny to those that like that sort of thing...

The only thing I ask is 'joke' or 'NWS' warnings, as often Little Miss Vamps will join me in my oofing.. the warnings do what they are intended to do, so I do not open such threads when she is watching.....

[OZZY4rm NOTTS]

What you consider to be racist and what I (and probably most other members) consider racist are two very different things, and therein lies the problem imo.
I do think that as a newbie you may be better served by spending a bit longer getting the feel of the place and understanding the humour of it before voicing your opinions so strongly.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion - individual freedom is something that I will always fiercely defend, but remember that everyone else is also entitled to theirs, and afaik you are the first person who has complained about the un-pc nature of general chat

Now this I actually appreciate - its sound advice; you seem to have identified that we actually agree to disagree which is where it ought to have stopped.  never mind

wrt - whats renders something racist - I believe there is a  clear definition in Law though which may be a good benchmark

[albitz]

I think your viewpoint on certain matters is probably now understood. The thing is, what do we do about it ? Do we now think carefully about posting certain types of jokes etc because we know that one member doesnt like them?
Or do you the member concerned, decide that you have made your point and for the sake of harmony decide to refrain from making the point every time you feel offended ?
You can of course if you so wish, decide to carry on regardless, but tbh I can see that getting a bit tediou s for all concerned.
Alternitavely you could read back the points made by myself and others and ask yourself if we may actually have made some valid points. It never does any harm to challenge ones own beliefs from time to time. I used to be a socialist ( a long time ago) but I challenged my own beliefs and now look at me.

As for legal definitions - the law and justice are distant cousins, and if this definition was made in the last 13 years then it should most likely be consigned to the dustbin along with all the other ludicrous things which were imposed on the country during that period, imo.

[Nickbat]

The Samaritans joke was funny, so too was the joke about the dog.

There will always be jokes about dyslexics, Alzheimers, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Japanese, Chinese, French, Germans, Irish, Scots, Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Muslims, AIDs, Bulemia, Syphilis, short people, tall people, blind people, deaf people, middle class, lower class, young people, old people, limbless people, Essex girls, blondes, redheads,  Southerners, Northerners....can I stop now?

Stereotyping for the sake of humour is natural. It has no deep meaning, no hidden hatred.

I liked the joke about the dog. It was a clear case of stereotyping, but I like to think that I am wise enough to see the humour and not cast doubts about the teller's motives.

Racism? Pah!

I was the first person to employ a black candidate in the financial sector of the City in which I was involved in the 1980s. It caused a few raised eyebrows (indeed, I was summoned to the MD's office to discuss my appointment), but I defended my decision by saying that he was the best person for a the job and the fact that he was soon head-hunted from the company bore out my views. Can I still listen to a "black" joke and find it funny? Yes. And so could he. He was a credit to his upbringing and his culture.

I am short(ish). Can I listen to a joke about short people and find it funny? Yes.

I agree with Albs that this PC stuff is indeed nonsense. Deeds, not words, are what racism is about. Long live humour. Without it we are sterile.

P.S. Lend me a fiver, I'm a bit short.   

Without encouraging US ALL going around in circles. . . you and others liked it. . . . I didnt.  To me thats very simple.

Fine. You have your views, others have theirs.

Where's the problem?  :-?

[Vamps]

I think your viewpoint on certain matters is probably now understood. The thing is, what do we do about it ? Do we now think carefully about posting certain types of jokes etc because we know that one member doesnt like them?
Or do you the member concerned, decide that you have made your point and for the sake of harmony decide to refrain from making the point every time you feel offended ?
You can of course if you so wish, decide to carry on regardless, but tbh I can see that getting a bit tediou s for all concerned.
Alternitavely you could read back the points made by myself and others and ask yourself if we may actually have made some valid points. It never does any harm to challenge ones own beliefs from time to time. I used to be a socialist ( a long time ago) but I challenged my own beliefs and now look at me.

A brave man person to open that one up, sadly time for bed........

[BigAl]

The Samaritans joke was funny, so too was the joke about the dog.

There will always be jokes about dyslexics, Alzheimers, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Japanese, Chinese, French, Germans, Irish, Scots, Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Muslims, AIDs, Bulemia, Syphilis, short people, tall people, blind people, deaf people, middle class, lower class, young people, old people, limbless people, Essex girls, blondes, redheads,  Southerners, Northerners....can I stop now?

Stereotyping for the sake of humour is natural. It has no deep meaning, no hidden hatred.

I liked the joke about the dog. It was a clear case of stereotyping, but I like to think that I am wise enough to see the humour and not cast doubts about the teller's motives.

are you picking on me

[albitz]

I was once a young firebrand shop steward Vamps - hard to believe I know......

[OZZY4rm NOTTS]

Challenging own beliefs is excellent, perhaps you (and other too) ought to lead by example.

so where do we go from here?  I think the options you have given me are ok but if I may suggest that we use our sense of judgement a little more it MAY help. 

If the legal definition of racist / racism is not a good indicator "if in doubt leave it out". . .
imagine the joke is told by a non-stereotyped individual in a room full of those very stereotyped people in the joke. . .if that person believes the joke will be fine and go down well,  then go agead and say it. . . .

if however, that person thinks he will get his / her head kicked in - along with a visit to the nearest A&E - do not!

agreed??

[albitz]

The Samaritans joke was funny, so too was the joke about the dog.

There will always be jokes about dyslexics, Alzheimers, Blacks, Whites, Asians, Japanese, Chinese, French, Germans, Irish, Scots, Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Muslims, AIDs, Bulemia, Syphilis, short people, tall people, blind people, deaf people, middle class, lower class, young people, old people, limbless people, Essex girls, blondes, redheads,  Southerners, Northerners....can I stop now?

Stereotyping for the sake of humour is natural. It has no deep meaning, no hidden hatred.

I liked the joke about the dog. It was a clear case of stereotyping, but I like to think that I am wise enough to see the humour and not cast doubts about the teller's motives.

are you picking on me

Yes - bugger off.

[albitz]

Challenging own beliefs is excellent, perhaps you (and other too) ought to lead by example.

so where do we go from here?  I think the options you have given me are ok but if I may suggest that we use our sense of judgement a little more it MAY help. 

If the legal definition of racist / racism is not a good indicator "if in doubt leave it out". . .
imagine the joke is told by a non-stereotyped individual in a room full of those very stereotyped people in the joke. . .if that person believes the joke will be fine and go down well,  then go agead and say it. . . .

if however, that person thinks he will get his / her head kicked in - along with a visit to the nearest A&E - do not!

agreed??

Well, I live in Essex and tell Essex jokes all the time, I tell Scottish jokes to Scottish people and they tell me Irish jokes, and I tell STMO scouse jokes on a regular basis, although he is an old dribbler who isnt capable of kicking anyones head in.

[BigAl]

Challenging own beliefs is excellent, perhaps you (and other too) ought to lead by example.

so where do we go from here?  I think the options you have given me are ok but if I may suggest that we use our sense of judgement a little more it MAY help. 

If the legal definition of racist / racism is not a good indicator "if in doubt leave it out". . .
imagine the joke is told by a non-stereotyped individual in a room full of those very stereotyped people in the joke. . .if that person believes the joke will be fine and go down well,  then go agead and say it. . . .

if however, that person thinks he will get his / her head kicked in - along with a visit to the nearest A&E - do not!

agreed??

Nah - Not if i'm going to have to explain the punchline to all those people