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A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« on: 26 May 2010, 18:36:54 »

How to Gauge a Railway

The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet 8 1/2  inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used?  Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the US Railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?  The answer is because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did 'they' use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

So, why did the wagons have that particularly odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

So the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet 8 1/2  inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Specifications and bureaucracies live forever.

So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's arse came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses!!!!  :o :o :o

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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #1 on: 26 May 2010, 18:44:21 »

Fascinating stuff  :y

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« Reply #2 on: 26 May 2010, 18:51:07 »

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Fascinating stuff  :y

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Bullshit...but fascinating ;D
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« Reply #3 on: 26 May 2010, 19:45:00 »

In fact there is no proof that the chariots, or any carts, actually had a 'standard' gauge of any type, let alone 4' 8 1/2".   Indeed historians cannot prove exactly how that gauge came about, but certainly early tramways / railways were generally built on that base.  When the first locomotive powered railways were built (by the way the first known railway dates to 2,245 BC in ancient Babylon!) 4' 8 1/2" was used by Trevithick and then Stevenson to name just two.

However, Isambard Kingdom Brunel decided to construct the Great Western Railway lines, which were given Royal Assent on the last day of August 1835, using the 'Broad' gauge of 7' 0", although this was amended by him to 7' 0 1/4" to allow extra clearances on turnouts.  This is considered by many, including me, to be the best gauge, and if it had been nationally adopted would have allowed for faster, heavier, greater capacity, and far more stable trains.  However the Royal Gauges Commission of 1845 decided that because the majority of railways had by then  been built using the "standard gauge", and not least the lobbying by a certain Mr Stevenson carried more weight, it was ruled that all new railways would be built to 4' 8 1/2".

On Sunday the 22nd May 1892, the last of the broad gauge track was converted to standard gauge, ready for exclusively standard guage trains on Monday 23rd May, 1892.

This was the dump at Swindon after the end of broad gauge, with engines either awaiting dismantling or conversion to 4' 8 1/2".






A modern Gauge Measuring device:



 ;) ;)

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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #4 on: 26 May 2010, 19:50:51 »

boring...
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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #5 on: 26 May 2010, 19:54:47 »

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to you maybe, not me or lizzie thankyou. >:(
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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #6 on: 26 May 2010, 19:55:37 »

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boring...

It might be 'boring' to u my friend but as the subject is directed at the beautiful  :-* ;) Lizzie!! who is an expert in this field may i suggest u read another topic  :P :P :P!!
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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #7 on: 26 May 2010, 20:01:05 »

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It might be 'boring' to u my friend but as the subject is directed at the beautiful  :-* ;) Lizzie!! who is an expert in this field may i suggest u read another topic  :P :P :P!!
well said, as i am of the same ilk as lizzie i find this very interesting as both my grandfather & father worked at derby loco works & i was also involved with the midland railway trust.
some great pictures of the broad guage lizzie. :y
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« Reply #8 on: 26 May 2010, 20:15:59 »

Thank you all! :-* :-*

So have another picture, this time of one of the last broad gauge trains, double headed, to pass through Didcot in 1892:



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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #9 on: 26 May 2010, 20:18:28 »

must admit lizzie, they were great looking machines & so many got scrapped. :'(
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« Reply #10 on: 26 May 2010, 20:52:48 »

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It might be 'boring' to u my friend but as the subject is directed at the beautiful  :-* ;) Lizzie!! who is an expert in this field may i suggest u read another topic  :P :P :P!!
well said, as i am of the same ilk as lizzie i find this very interesting as both my grandfather & father worked at derby loco works & i was also involved with the midland railway trust.
some great pictures of the broad guage lizzie. :y

Unfortunately i've only seen the 'one' picture of that great broad Lizzie & thats her entry pic  ;)

Or am i barking up the wrong tree  :-/ :-? :-[!!!!
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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #11 on: 26 May 2010, 21:10:27 »

My Goodness! wasn't Britain 'Great' with a vengeance back in those days? I could feel my chest swelling just looking at all that beautifully crafted machinery, and each piece with it's own Soul! This is one of the reasons getting old is a bonus not a curse  ;D :y
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« Reply #12 on: 26 May 2010, 21:15:47 »

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My Goodness! wasn't Britain 'Great' with a vengeance back in those days? I could feel my chest swelling just looking at all that beautifully crafted machinery, and each piece with it's own Soul! This is one of the reasons getting old is a bonus not a curse  ;D :y

Yes indeed Phil, and with the likes of Brunel around there was a strong willingness to push the boundaries, take calculated risks, and generally be bold in a passionate desire to go where no one had gone before! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Pure greatness came forth from such thinking! :-* :-* 8-) 8-)
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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #13 on: 26 May 2010, 21:22:59 »

Absolutely Lizzie! :y Don't you just wish some of those ethics and 'get up & go' were more prevalent today? :-/ ;)
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Re: A fact that maybe only Lizzie Zoom will understand
« Reply #14 on: 26 May 2010, 21:53:46 »

I am trying to find out about some early high power Diesels.

Found these two - not sure if they are the ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_4-8%2B8-4-750/8-DE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DR-12-8-1500/2

But I was sure there was a 4 engine 3000bhp 1950s built loco of around 300 tons but nearest were these two.

I was going to use them to show how much better UK designs were and 10% more power and 1/3rd the weight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_DP1
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