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[eddie]

Read Jeremy Klaxons page in Saturdays Sun.

Torrey canyon-American

Exxon Valdiz-American (Captain was pissed)

Bohpal Disaster-American

Bp Oil rig AND crew-American

God Bless Help America..


eddie

[Varche]

I wonder if the BP settlement to those affected will be as protracted in payment and as small as for Bhopal?

[Dishevelled Den]

I wonder if the BP settlement to those affected will be as protracted in payment and as small as for Bhopal?

I think we all know the answer to that one V

[Banjax]

due the the US's voracious appetite for oil and the increasingly desperate methods of retrieval as oil becomes more and more difficult to bring up, most oil disasters will happen around the american coast - its the price you pay for being so oil dependent - every spill, every ecological disaster is another warning shot that until now they have always ignored. could have been Shell, could have been Exxon, could have been Texaco....doesn't matter it was BP today, but it'll happen again and again - and quite rightly - we need oil, US needs oil more than ever so its a dangerous game but, like the troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq its a price we in the west seem prepared to pay to get our hands on the stuff - if thats going to be a problem, then i suggest we look at alternatives

[Nickbat]

due the the US's voracious appetite for oil and the increasingly desperate methods of retrieval as oil becomes more and more difficult to bring up, most oil disasters will happen around the american coast - its the price you pay for being so oil dependent - every spill, every ecological disaster is another warning shot that until now they have always ignored. could have been Shell, could have been Exxon, could have been Texaco....doesn't matter it was BP today, but it'll happen again and again - and quite rightly - we need oil, US needs oil more than ever so its a dangerous game but, like the troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq its a price we in the west seem prepared to pay to get our hands on the stuff - if thats going to be a problem, then i suggest we look at alternatives

Odd that you don't mention the "voracious" appetite of China and India.

There will be no alternative for oil for a long time. Many simple people view oil only in terms of gasoline for cars and planes, but the truth is that oil gives us plastics, pharmceuticals, building materials and much, much, more.

It's not a greed or an addiction (use any hackneyed expression you like), it is a vital ingredient for society. There is plenty more about and it is likely that technology will bring about synthetic versions using recyclables and biomass but, for the time being, there will be more exploration and there will be further spills. These will become fewer as time goes on and technology/engineering improves (note the introduction of twin-hulled VLCCs after the Valdez spill), but right now, without oil, there would be suffering on an unimaginable scale. 

[Banjax]

due the the US's voracious appetite for oil and the increasingly desperate methods of retrieval as oil becomes more and more difficult to bring up, most oil disasters will happen around the american coast - its the price you pay for being so oil dependent - every spill, every ecological disaster is another warning shot that until now they have always ignored. could have been Shell, could have been Exxon, could have been Texaco....doesn't matter it was BP today, but it'll happen again and again - and quite rightly - we need oil, US needs oil more than ever so its a dangerous game but, like the troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq its a price we in the west seem prepared to pay to get our hands on the stuff - if thats going to be a problem, then i suggest we look at alternatives

Odd that you don't mention the "voracious" appetite of China and India.

There will be no alternative for oil for a long time. Many simple people view oil only in terms of gasoline for cars and planes, but the truth is that oil gives us plastics, pharmceuticals, building materials and much, much, more.

It's not a greed or an addiction (use any hackneyed expression you like), it is a vital ingredient for society. There is plenty more about and it is likely that technology will bring about synthetic versions using recyclables and biomass but, for the time being, there will be more exploration and there will be further spills. These will become fewer as time goes on and technology/engineering improves (note the introduction of twin-hulled VLCCs after the Valdez spill), but right now, without oil, there would be suffering on an unimaginable scale. 

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

[Nickbat]

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

Perhaps one should consider the more realistic per capita figures which show that the US consumes 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people, which is only just more than Belgium (60.478 bbl/day) and less than Iceland (69.95 bbl/day) and Canada (71.009 bbl/day). If you still insist on using "voracious" in a pejorative way, perhaps you need to direct it towards places like Singapore (189.975 bbl/day), Gibraltar (809.94 bbl/day), or the No 1, Virgin Islands (845.382 bbl/day).

"...defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich"

My point was that, without oil companies, we would not have the standard of living we now enjoy. Fact.

At this stage, there is no evidence that BP that the failure of the blowback valve in question was in any way related to the "pursuit of profit", i.e cost reduction. Unless you know better, of course...

[Banjax]

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

Perhaps one should consider the more realistic per capita figures which show that the US consumes 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people, which is only just more than Belgium (60.478 bbl/day) and less than Iceland (69.95 bbl/day) and Canada (71.009 bbl/day). If you still insist on using "voracious" in a pejorative way, perhaps you need to direct it towards places like Singapore (189.975 bbl/day), Gibraltar (809.94 bbl/day), or the No 1, Virgin Islands (845.382 bbl/day).

"...defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich"

My point was that, without oil companies, we would not have the standard of living we now enjoy. Fact.

At this stage, there is no evidence that BP that the failure of the blowback valve in question was in any way related to the "pursuit of profit", i.e cost reduction. Unless you know better, of course...

my point would be that we'll have to get used to increasingly dangerous practices as we pursue dwindling oil supplies and we either accept the consequences or look elsewhere sooner. and whilst i cant be sure, i'm willing to bet that cost cutting and profiteering were at least part of the problem, if not wholly to blame 

[Dishevelled Den]

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

Perhaps one should consider the more realistic per capita figures which show that the US consumes 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people, which is only just more than Belgium (60.478 bbl/day) and less than Iceland (69.95 bbl/day) and Canada (71.009 bbl/day). If you still insist on using "voracious" in a pejorative way, perhaps you need to direct it towards places like Singapore (189.975 bbl/day), Gibraltar (809.94 bbl/day), or the No 1, Virgin Islands (845.382 bbl/day).

"...defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich"

My point was that, without oil companies, we would not have the standard of living we now enjoy. Fact.

At this stage, there is no evidence that BP that the failure of the blowback valve in question was in any way related to the "pursuit of profit", i.e cost reduction. Unless you know better, of course...

my point would be that we'll have to get used to increasingly dangerous practices as we pursue dwindling oil supplies and we either accept the consequences or look elsewhere sooner. and whilst i cant be sure, i'm willing to bet that cost cutting and profiteering were at least part of the problem, if not wholly to blame 

cant be sure, i'm willing to bet that cost cutting and profiteering were at least part of the problem

Whilst it doesn't make commercial sense for the drilling operator to adopt these short-sighted practices - in terms of the liability they might face should things go wrong -  considering the economic woes presently being experienced by global economy, the need for oil and the desire to maximise profits certainly lends credence to this suspicion.

Although having said that, it should be remembered that drawing oil from these depths, with all that it entails, must be incredibly difficult.

[cem_devecioglu]

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

Perhaps one should consider the more realistic per capita figures which show that the US consumes 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people, which is only just more than Belgium (60.478 bbl/day) and less than Iceland (69.95 bbl/day) and Canada (71.009 bbl/day). If you still insist on using "voracious" in a pejorative way, perhaps you need to direct it towards places like Singapore (189.975 bbl/day), Gibraltar (809.94 bbl/day), or the No 1, Virgin Islands (845.382 bbl/day).

"...defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich"

My point was that, without oil companies, we would not have the standard of living we now enjoy. Fact.

At this stage, there is no evidence that BP that the failure of the blowback valve in question was in any way related to the "pursuit of profit", i.e cost reduction. Unless you know better, of course...

none of those countries declare war to any country with foolish reasons for more oil .. they buy..

[Dishevelled Den]

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

Perhaps one should consider the more realistic per capita figures which show that the US consumes 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people, which is only just more than Belgium (60.478 bbl/day) and less than Iceland (69.95 bbl/day) and Canada (71.009 bbl/day). If you still insist on using "voracious" in a pejorative way, perhaps you need to direct it towards places like Singapore (189.975 bbl/day), Gibraltar (809.94 bbl/day), or the No 1, Virgin Islands (845.382 bbl/day).

"...defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich"

My point was that, without oil companies, we would not have the standard of living we now enjoy. Fact.

At this stage, there is no evidence that BP that the failure of the blowback valve in question was in any way related to the "pursuit of profit", i.e cost reduction. Unless you know better, of course...

none of those countries declare war to any country with foolish reasons for more oil .. they buy..

none of those countries declare war to any country with foolish reasons for more oil .. they buy

That's a fair enough point cem 8- ) but I would suggest that the reason for the US invading Iraq goes far beyond the simplistic assertion that it was wholly for the acquisition of a guaranteed oil supply in a competitive market or cheap oil – and certainly not much to do with the terrorist strikes in New York and Washington DC in 2001.

[djac]

If there is going to be legal action over this, then isn't it way past time for Obama to clamp his gob shut? His comments are clearly prejudicial to any chance of an impartial hearing that BP might get.

Not that there is much chance of that in an American court anyway. It looks like the only guilty parties here (as far as the Yanks are concerned) are the non-Americans.

[cem_devecioglu]

sorry - thought the spill was in the US -'kin 'ell OK OK China and India and every other country use oil too - got to keep Nickbat and the pc brigade happy

by voracious I mean they use over 20,000,000 barrels a day....China(despite having a far larger population) use a third of that, India use 1/7th....again with a far larger population - what word would you use? Conservative? Frugal? Careful? or perhaps the US maybe use slightly more oil than, say, every other nation on the planet....so I'd say voracious was fair 

defending US and its use of oil is good....even for you, I mean, defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich....but this is good Nick, no, really 

Perhaps one should consider the more realistic per capita figures which show that the US consumes 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people, which is only just more than Belgium (60.478 bbl/day) and less than Iceland (69.95 bbl/day) and Canada (71.009 bbl/day). If you still insist on using "voracious" in a pejorative way, perhaps you need to direct it towards places like Singapore (189.975 bbl/day), Gibraltar (809.94 bbl/day), or the No 1, Virgin Islands (845.382 bbl/day).

"...defending oil corporations pursuit of profit to the detriment of vast swathes of coastline was rich"

My point was that, without oil companies, we would not have the standard of living we now enjoy. Fact.

At this stage, there is no evidence that BP that the failure of the blowback valve in question was in any way related to the "pursuit of profit", i.e cost reduction. Unless you know better, of course...

none of those countries declare war to any country with foolish reasons for more oil .. they buy..

none of those countries declare war to any country with foolish reasons for more oil .. they buy

That's a fair enough point cem 8- ) but I would suggest that the reason for the US invading Iraq goes far beyond the simplistic assertion that it was wholly for the acquisition of a guaranteed oil supply in a competitive market or cheap oil – and certainly not much to do with the terrorist strikes in New York and Washington DC in 2001.

yep.. oil was not the whole reason.. it was #1 in the list only 

seriously, there we are witnessing a case of ambition surpassing intelligence..

actually the initial aim was changing the map in middle east during the Bush era..including my country    the proof and evidence is a bit long so I dont go in the details here.. only thing briefly I'll say is a half occupied Turkey map in Pentagon is more than enough me thinks..

now looking in iran situation within a few months it wont be an exegeration to say we will see us warplanes bombing iran :-/

one thing I'm sure, although many here wont accept,
Obama is not leading the country, he is the speaker of decision makers, nothing more..

[albitz]

Im quite relieved to hear that Obama isnt making the  decisions, he,s far to dim for that job.

[Banjax]

Im quite relieved to hear that Obama isnt making the  decisions, he,s far to dim for that job.

yep - we were far safer with religious fundamentalist Dubya  - I've owned pets smarter than that idiot )