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[Dishevelled Den]

CAUTION: IMAGES OF A VIOLENT NATURE


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/3038479/Shock-footage-from-the-front-line-in-Afghanistan.html

[Nickbat]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

[dbug]

One could say he was lucky  :-/

[Mysteryman]

Not a bit like the movies, is it?

[CaptainZok]

Not a bit like the movies, is it?

You mean John Wayne didn't kill the lot of them and win the war singlehanded?

[Mysteryman]

Not a bit like the movies, is it?

You mean John Wayne didn't kill the lot of them and win the war singlehanded?

He may well have done. But he was allowed to kill civilians, destroy crops and even blow up the odd cow.

[joff]

Air support takes time to get to you, they can't cover everyone at the same time. My hat goes off to the lads for a job well done. thank god the lad is OK.

[MV6Matt]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

Air support? I seem to recall having India 53 charlie (Pre Batco of course) awaiting my request for a 'quick action' in advance to contact situations like that.

Artillery were more frequently available than air cover and you always set your watches to 'gunner time'

Most rifle companies had two tubes at their disposal and some one could usually get hold of the RA.
I seem to remember at the UKLF small arms competions in 1986 that Warminster were thinking of (?re-)introducing an indirect fire role for the GPMG. I seem to recall you could ask for 2 SF GPMGs to fire in support of advance to contacts and stuff like that.

I'd be interesting to know what support was available to these guys.
The armed forces seem to have to operate on such a shoes string these days it's difficult to believe that air support would have been allocated, but it would depend on what the patrol had been tasked to do.

Glad to see he returned to duty though.

[Dishevelled Den]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

Air support? I seem to recall having India 53 charlie (Pre Batco of course) awaiting my request for a 'quick action' in advance to contact situations like that.

Artillery were more frequently available than air cover and you always set your watches to 'gunner time'

Most rifle companies had two tubes at their disposal and some one could usually get hold of the RA.
I seem to remember at the UKLF small arms competions in 1986 that Warminster were thinking of (?re-)introducing an indirect fire role for the GPMG. I seem to recall you could ask for 2 SF GPMGs to fire in support of advance to contacts and stuff like that.

I'd be interesting to know what support was available to these guys.
The armed forces seem to have to operate on such a shoes string these days it's difficult to believe that air support would have been allocated, but it would depend on what the patrol had been tasked to do.

Glad to see he returned to duty though.

Air response is heavily tasked in that theatre - and has a lot of area to look after - so it does take time to supply cover when incidents like this occur.

In so far as section/platoon support by mg is concerned the gympies were always able to kick arse due to the fire rate and 7.62 calibre round.  The current 5.56 round lacks that punch in these battlefield conditions in my view

[Nickbat]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

Air support? I seem to recall having India 53 charlie (Pre Batco of course) awaiting my request for a 'quick action' in advance to contact situations like that.

Artillery were more frequently available than air cover and you always set your watches to 'gunner time'

Most rifle companies had two tubes at their disposal and some one could usually get hold of the RA.
I seem to remember at the UKLF small arms competions in 1986 that Warminster were thinking of (?re-)introducing an indirect fire role for the GPMG. I seem to recall you could ask for 2 SF GPMGs to fire in support of advance to contacts and stuff like that.

I'd be interesting to know what support was available to these guys.
The armed forces seem to have to operate on such a shoes string these days it's difficult to believe that air support would have been allocated, but it would depend on what the patrol had been tasked to do.

Glad to see he returned to duty though.

You clearly know infinitely more than me about theatre operations but, as a layman, I would have thought that the presence of A10s and Apaches would have been a blessing to these poor guys.

Yes, it was a British operation, but isn't there supposed to be an alliance out there?

Just thinking out loud, you understand.     

[JO Omega]

ohhh

[Dishevelled Den]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

Air support? I seem to recall having India 53 charlie (Pre Batco of course) awaiting my request for a 'quick action' in advance to contact situations like that.

Artillery were more frequently available than air cover and you always set your watches to 'gunner time'

Most rifle companies had two tubes at their disposal and some one could usually get hold of the RA.
I seem to remember at the UKLF small arms competions in 1986 that Warminster were thinking of (?re-)introducing an indirect fire role for the GPMG. I seem to recall you could ask for 2 SF GPMGs to fire in support of advance to contacts and stuff like that.

I'd be interesting to know what support was available to these guys.
The armed forces seem to have to operate on such a shoes string these days it's difficult to believe that air support would have been allocated, but it would depend on what the patrol had been tasked to do.

Glad to see he returned to duty though.

You clearly know infinitely more than me about theatre operations but, as a layman, I would have thought that the presence of A10s and Apaches would have been a blessing to these poor guys.

Yes, it was a British operation, but isn't there supposed to be an alliance out there?

Just thinking out loud, you understand.     

Just thinking out loud,

Don't take the chance Nick - look what happened to Stanley McChrystal


Another victim of this man;

[Entwood]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

Air support? I seem to recall having India 53 charlie (Pre Batco of course) awaiting my request for a 'quick action' in advance to contact situations like that.

Artillery were more frequently available than air cover and you always set your watches to 'gunner time'

Most rifle companies had two tubes at their disposal and some one could usually get hold of the RA.
I seem to remember at the UKLF small arms competions in 1986 that Warminster were thinking of (?re-)introducing an indirect fire role for the GPMG. I seem to recall you could ask for 2 SF GPMGs to fire in support of advance to contacts and stuff like that.

I'd be interesting to know what support was available to these guys.
The armed forces seem to have to operate on such a shoes string these days it's difficult to believe that air support would have been allocated, but it would depend on what the patrol had been tasked to do.

Glad to see he returned to duty though.

Air response is heavily tasked in that theatre - and has a lot of area to look after - so it does take time to supply cover when incidents like this occur.

In so far as section/platoon support by mg is concerned the gympies were always able to kick arse due to the fire rate and 7.62 calibre round.  The current 5.56 round lacks that punch in these battlefield conditions in my view

Rumour has it the plan is now to go back to 7.62 ... and lose the horrible SA80 .. useless for fighting and even worse on parade !!! Bring back the SLR  says I  .

Apparently the Taliban have a longer range with the AK47 then our guys with the SA80 ... (surprise surprise) .. so "something" is going to be done .... only taken umpteen years for the penny to drop !!

http://www.army.mod.uk/news/18798.aspx

[Dishevelled Den]

True grit.

I am impressed with their professionalism and teamwork, but can't help wondering why there is no air support.  :-?

Air support? I seem to recall having India 53 charlie (Pre Batco of course) awaiting my request for a 'quick action' in advance to contact situations like that.

Artillery were more frequently available than air cover and you always set your watches to 'gunner time'

Most rifle companies had two tubes at their disposal and some one could usually get hold of the RA.
I seem to remember at the UKLF small arms competions in 1986 that Warminster were thinking of (?re-)introducing an indirect fire role for the GPMG. I seem to recall you could ask for 2 SF GPMGs to fire in support of advance to contacts and stuff like that.

I'd be interesting to know what support was available to these guys.
The armed forces seem to have to operate on such a shoes string these days it's difficult to believe that air support would have been allocated, but it would depend on what the patrol had been tasked to do.

Glad to see he returned to duty though.

Air response is heavily tasked in that theatre - and has a lot of area to look after - so it does take time to supply cover when incidents like this occur.

In so far as section/platoon support by mg is concerned the gympies were always able to kick arse due to the fire rate and 7.62 calibre round.  The current 5.56 round lacks that punch in these battlefield conditions in my view

Rumour has it the plan is now to go back to 7.62 ... and lose the horrible SA80 .. useless for fighting and even worse on parade !!! Bring back the I SLR  say .

Apparently the Taliban have a longer range with the AK47 then our guys with the SA80 ... (surprise surprise) .. so "something" is going to be done .... only taken umpteen years for the penny to drop !!

There has been some discussion on that E.  I always thought the L1A1 a fine weapon but was a bugger to lug about in a saloon car although there has been some testing done on a 6.9 round.

For sheer power there was little to beat the original NATO load 7.62

[Amigo]

No matter what opinions us "civvies" have on any given war we will never know what it's like & probably would'nt want to.
   That young man has bottle. I'd buy him a pint, he deserves it. 8-)