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[royston1945]

One of the things I find really annoying  about some drivers is the habit they have of swinging right before turning left.,if you know what I mean. Well, this morning I was following a new shape BMW 3 series in the inside lane of a dual carrigeway when the driver made the above mentioned  manouver into the path of a speeding transit van which removed his mirror, front wing and bumper.PMSL

[Markjay]

Mus have been a lorry driver using his wife's car...  

[STMO123]

One of the things I find really annoying  about some drivers is the habit they have of swinging right before turning left.,if you know what I mean. Well, this morning I was following a new shape BMW 3 series in the inside lane of a dual carrigeway when the driver made the above mentioned  manouver into the path of a speeding transit van which removed his mirror, front wing and bumper.PMSL

Yep. Girlies do it in micras

[tunnie]

One of the things I find really annoying  about some drivers is the habit they have of swinging right before turning left.,if you know what I mean. Well, this morning I was following a new shape BMW 3 series in the inside lane of a dual carrigeway when the driver made the above mentioned  manouver into the path of a speeding transit van which removed his mirror, front wing and bumper.PMSL

Girlies do it in micras

Do they? Must be interesting to watch  

[STMO123]

One of the things I find really annoying  about some drivers is the habit they have of swinging right before turning left.,if you know what I mean. Well, this morning I was following a new shape BMW 3 series in the inside lane of a dual carrigeway when the driver made the above mentioned  manouver into the path of a speeding transit van which removed his mirror, front wing and bumper.PMSL

Girlies do it in micras

Do they? Must be interesting to watch  

Your studentishness is showing

[Bo Bo]

One of the things I find really annoying  about some drivers is the habit they have of swinging right before turning left.,if you know what I mean. Well, this morning I was following a new shape BMW 3 series in the inside lane of a dual carrigeway when the driver made the above mentioned  manouver into the path of a speeding transit van which removed his mirror, front wing and bumper.PMSL

Girlies do it in micras

Do they? Must be interesting to watch  

Your studentishness is showing

Ain't just students think that way....

[ClarCE]

One of the things I find really annoying  about some drivers is the habit they have of swinging right before turning left.,if you know what I mean. Well, this morning I was following a new shape BMW 3 series in the inside lane of a dual carrigeway when the driver made the above mentioned  manouver into the path of a speeding transit van which removed his mirror, front wing and bumper.PMSL

If I don't swing out a bit to get round the corner near my house I remove anyone standing on the pavement and its so tight that I'd hit any car waiting, obviously if theres no cars waiting to come out I can use their side of the road, if not its swing out or sit there, sitting there would usually mean a good few minutes, which causes chaos at the cross roads and traffic lights behind me...

My point is, sometimes you have to do this - although doing it on a motorway sounds stupid, as your BMW driver found out..

Also, I used to drive one of these (exact same type) and swinging out now comes more naturally

Mine was the 136, 47 or 75 route for Stagecoach..

[Kevin Wood]

Speaking of just desserts one evening last winter I had to go to a meeting after work and left about 10 PM. It had previously snowed and just as the snow was melting there was a frost and it all turned to ice.

I slipped over whilst walking to my car in the car park so mental note to drive very carefully!

I was driving along a dual carriageway that had been gritted reasonably well but it was slippy in places so I stuck to 30-40 MPH. BMW 3 series again (uncanny, that) passed me at 80+. Thought he was being stupid.

Half a mile later I notice a distinct line across the road surface and a bit of a sheen thereafter. Tried a little sway on the the steering wheel. No change of direction whatsoever. Dabbed the brakes. Instant lockup. I let the car coast down to a safe speed (in these conditions sub-10MPH. There was no grip whatsoever). Round the next corner I spotted a single hazard light flashing by the side of the road. It was Mr. 3 Series who had been playing pinball using the barriers each side of the road as flippers. Not a single panel on his car wasn't completely knackered.

I did the good samaritan thing and stopped to see if he was OK. He quite rudely (i thought) told me he was on the phone to a recovery company and didn't need any help. I got back into my car. Couldn't resist a parting "Drive carefully" as I left though.  [smiley=evil.gif]

There was a double decker bus in the convoy of vehicles creeping back home after this incident. Even he was sliding all over the place.

I have often wondered if the gritter lorry just ran out of salt or whether the fact that the gritting stopped exactly on the Surrey / Hampshire county boundary is significant?

Kevin

[royston1945]

Yeah, black ice.I remember the first time I encountered it in the sixties.I was driving down the East Lancs road (the main drag in those days) from Manchester towards Liverpool early one bitterly cold pitch black morning ,heading for Birkenhead market where I traded every Wednesday.The road was four lanes in those days, two each way,with only a white line seperating oncoming traffic.
I was trundling along about 50mph in my Thames 15 cwt van when I realised something was different but couldn't figure what .But when my brother said something along the lines of'The van seems quiet this morning' I realised I couldn't hear any noise from the normally loud tyres.
    Just then the truck in front started to jack knife and then it dawned on me that we were on a ice rink.I hit the brakes which locked instantaniously and left us sliding towards the truck at undiminished speed,with no seatbelts and just a bit of 22 guage tin between us and and the full force of the impact.
  I thought ''dangle berries' to this 'and released the brakes and headed for the grass verge.The van turned and then the arse end swung out and we did a 180 degree slide, bounced over the kerb and came to a halt out of harms way on the verge. Phew!  The guy behind me slid his F*rd zodiac into the truck I'd managed to miss and then all hell broke loose.By this time we were out of the van and watching as cars and trucks smashed into each other.The noise of vehicles colliding is a violent ,almost shocking sound and we could hear it going on out of sight down the road for what seemed like ages.
 When it got light,the scene was one of absolute carnage. 65 vehicles of all shapes and sizes,looking like a gruesome scrapyard .Two died and scores were maimed and injured all in a few minutes.
 Black ice -THE most dangerous road condition of them all