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[Dishevelled Den]

i wish i'd just flown home that day rather than going on a fruitless hunt for LPG!!

I've made a photo album if anyone wants to look: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=27541&id=100000126303347&l=cb761286bc

i'll even see if i can link direct to the pics!




nope. i can't. bugger! lol. anyone know how to embed facebook pics on here? or do i need photobucket!?

Looking at that series of photographs Dave I would say 50/50 is the best you'll get

I don't know about Facebook but Photobucket is easy to use when you get it set up.

[Gaffers]

I reckon he has an excuse though. they dont have roundabouts over there or is that Canada? Just traffic lights i think.

No the USA seem not to have any roundabouts that I have seen in thousands of miles of driving there.  They just have so much space to build full interchanges, traffic light controlled junctions, and 'U' turn lanes 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Never been to Canada though, so cannot say

There is one in Branson MI, I nearly died of shock when I drove up to it 

[Mr Skrunts]

anyone have any knowledge of the laws of driving on and leaving a roundabout?

I had a very small accident in april and my insurance company are being spectacularly rubbish about it. not only have they not even inspected my car to start fixing it but also they are saying it's totally my fault. i think it's her fault and unless it can be proven would accept half and half.

Ideally I want to know the 'rules of the road' viewpoint before discussing it more with them.

In summary (I hope this makes sense) - I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well.

The exits I passed on the south side were very close together and I didn't see anyone join the roundabout from them.

I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes.... into a car that was trying to undertake me. she had entered the roundabout on the exit after me, claims I wasn't indicating, that she's seen lots of near misses at that location and that accelerating is the way to avoid them!

btw even though she had a clit, my car ended up worse off

any info much appreciated!

ps i have some pics which I'll try and post when i've signed up to that site!

So, you were in front, that gives you the right of way, going 3/4 way round the roundabout you have the choice of inside or outside lane.

She joins after you and excelerates to undertake you?  where, on the roundabout or the road after the exit.

If the 2nd one is the case she should have been watching you if you were in the fast lane.  The only time she has the right to undertake is coming up to a juction and you cant proceed due to traffic or conditions, but should not undertake in any of the above cases if you are indicating your intentions.

[hotel21]

....
 I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well.  .....

So, you'd be the green car. Acceptable acording to the 'rules' 

Technically, if you are on the central hub of the roundabout and then exit onto lane one of your new road then you change lanes on the roundabout - unless the roundabout is 'snail marked' with paint directing you onto your new road.

If you cross white lane markings to get onto your new road/lane and you strike something on your nearside/passenger side in the process then, sadly, the fault is yours....   

[hotel21]

anyone have any knowledge of the laws of driving on and leaving a roundabout?

I had a very small accident in april and my insurance company are being spectacularly rubbish about it. not only have they not even inspected my car to start fixing it but also they are saying it's totally my fault. i think it's her fault and unless it can be proven would accept half and half.

Ideally I want to know the 'rules of the road' viewpoint before discussing it more with them.

In summary (I hope this makes sense) - I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well.

The exits I passed on the south side were very close together and I didn't see anyone join the roundabout from them.

I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes.... into a car that was trying to undertake me. she had entered the roundabout on the exit after me, claims I wasn't indicating, that she's seen lots of near misses at that location and that accelerating is the way to avoid them!

btw even though she had a clit, my car ended up worse off

any info much appreciated!

ps i have some pics which I'll try and post when i've signed up to that site!

So, you were in front, that gives you the right of way, going 3/4 way round the roundabout you have the choice of inside or outside lane.

She joins after you and excelerates to undertake you?  where, on the roundabout or the road after the exit.

If the 2nd one is the case she should have been watching you if you were in the fast lane.  The only time she has the right to undertake is coming up to a juction and you cant proceed due to traffic or conditions, but should not undertake in any of the above cases if you are indicating your intentions.

    

Bear in mind there is no such thing as a 'fast' lane.  Its lane 1, 2 or 3.....     

[hotel21]

anyone have any knowledge of the laws of driving on and leaving a roundabout?

I had a very small accident in april and my insurance company are being spectacularly rubbish about it. not only have they not even inspected my car to start fixing it but also they are saying it's totally my fault. i think it's her fault and unless it can be proven would accept half and half.

Ideally I want to know the 'rules of the road' viewpoint before discussing it more with them.

In summary (I hope this makes sense) - I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well.

The exits I passed on the south side were very close together and I didn't see anyone join the roundabout from them.

I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes.... into a car that was trying to undertake me. she had entered the roundabout on the exit after me, claims I wasn't indicating, that she's seen lots of near misses at that location and that accelerating is the way to avoid them!

btw even though she had a clit, my car ended up worse off

any info much appreciated!

ps i have some pics which I'll try and post when i've signed up to that site!

So, you were in front, that gives you the right of way, going 3/4 way round the roundabout you have the choice of inside or outside lane.

She joins after you and excelerates to undertake you?  where, on the roundabout or the road after the exit.

If the 2nd one is the case she should have been watching you if you were in the fast lane.  The only time she has the right to undertake is coming up to a juction and you cant proceed due to traffic or conditions, but should not undertake in any of the above cases if you are indicating your intentions.

    

Bear in mind there is no such thing as a 'fast' lane.  Its lane 1, 2 or 3.....     

Disagree.  Its upto you if its safe to change lanes from 2 into 1.  Thats what mirrors are for and why your neck is able to swivel your head to look into your blindspot.    To manouever so early when only partly past - or if lane one is undertaking - is cutting someone up and why undertaking is not permissable.  How often has that happened to you, especially if on an LGV or towing??  Can cause more than a wee brown trouser moment....

[Entwood]

Dippy .. fight them all the way ..  I have just had a minor claim settled .. its been running since DECEMBER !!!

They offered 50/50 "as there are no third party witnesses" .. I have been strongly pointing out the photographic evidence of the damage, and asking the same question a zillion times  "how can I drive into someone when the damage is to the side of my vehicle .. my vehicle does not drive sideways".

On the last occasion I INSTRUCTED ( and I mean that word) my insurers to instigate Court proceedings .. or I would as the Burden of Proof is "The Balance of Probabilities" and given the photo's of the damage .. the probability is the guy hit me. I gave them permission to quote me to his insurers.

The claim was settled within 2 weeks in my favour, I recieved a cheque for my exces and a letter confirming the reinstatement of my No Claims bonus within a wek of the settlement.

It takes a while.. but stick to your guns .. you have the rules from the Highway Code .. she was in the wrong.

my basis for this is one line of your description...

I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes.

IMHO you did not change lanes as you headed for the RIGHT lane of the two exit lanes .. and crossed the left lane of the roundabout as you had to...if you had gone for the left lane it would be your fault for changing lanes.


I apologise if I have misread your description

[Varche]

I thought that was the correct way of using a roundabout re Dave's graphic. but it may have changed. just lately coming into bournemouth cars have been using the left lane and going round the outside to turn right! it gets interesting when i am using the inside lane to go straight on. other interesting fact is these cars have a big L on the top. so is the law changing?

Believe it or not that is how Spanish learners are taught now. Worse they don't indicate until and only when you leave the roundabout. There is a three lane motorway interchange roundabout in Granada and it is like hell as everyone speeds and there are 7 roads of which 6 are busy dual carriageways. There are always accidents most times we use it.

I think the UK highway code is the best way especially if people drive a bit slower (some chance)

[hotel21]

As I understand the description of the OP, he was on the central hub of the roundabout, exited into lane one then retook position into lane 2, thus cutting across lane 1....

I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane {lane 2 to turn right, as I read it - H21}. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well. The exits I passed on the south side were very close together and I didn't see anyone join the roundabout from them. I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane { I understand this to be entering lane 1 - H21}of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes { I understand this to be re-entering lane 2 of the new road - H21}.... into a car that was trying to undertake me. she had entered the roundabout on the exit after me, claims I wasn't indicating, that she's seen lots of near misses at that location and that accelerating is the way to avoid them!

By my highlit understanding, cutting from lane 2 of the roundabout, into lane one on exit onto the new road, to re-enter lane 2 of the new road and sideswiping the car in lane 1 in the process....

[Entwood]

See what you are saying H .. but I took it as being in the right (inner) lane of the roundabout and taking the right exit lane .. therefore having to CROSS the roundabout left (outside) lane at 90 degrees... ish

Open to interpretation I guess ..

[Amigo]

anyone have any knowledge of the laws of driving on and leaving a roundabout?

I had a very small accident in april and my insurance company are being spectacularly rubbish about it. not only have they not even inspected my car to start fixing it but also they are saying it's totally my fault. i think it's her fault and unless it can be proven would accept half and half.

Ideally I want to know the 'rules of the road' viewpoint before discussing it more with them.

In summary (I hope this makes sense) - I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well.

The exits I passed on the south side were very close together and I didn't see anyone join the roundabout from them.

I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes.... into a car that was trying to undertake me. she had entered the roundabout on the exit after me, claims I wasn't indicating, that she's seen lots of near misses at that location and that accelerating is the way to avoid them!

btw even though she had a clit, my car ended up worse off

any info much appreciated!

ps i have some pics which I'll try and post when i've signed up to that site!

So, you were in front, that gives you the right of way, going 3/4 way round the roundabout you have the choice of inside or outside lane.

She joins after you and excelerates to undertake you?  where, on the roundabout or the road after the exit.

If the 2nd one is the case she should have been watching you if you were in the fast lane.  The only time she has the right to undertake is coming up to a juction and you cant proceed due to traffic or conditions, but should not undertake in any of the above cases if you are indicating your intentions.

    

Bear in mind there is no such thing as a 'fast' lane.  Its lane 1, 2 or 3.....     

Disagree.  Its upto you if its safe to change lanes from 2 into 1.  Thats what mirrors are for and why your neck is able to swivel your head to look into your blindspot.    To manouever so early when only partly past - or if lane one is undertaking - is cutting someone up and why undertaking is not permissable.  How often has that happened to you, especially if on an LGV or towing??  Can cause more than a wee brown trouser moment....

I'm not licking up to admins but agree with Broocie on this one. I drive an artic & if exiting a roundabout after a 3/4 turn into a two lane exit the first thing i want to do is get over to the inside lane as cars behind me will be moving faster. However i must straighten the whole combo up before checking the n/s mirror to see if it's clear to pull to the left hand lane as other traffic might have entered said lane from a previous exit i passed before exiting myself.
    Sorry to be long winded but you need your wits about you especially in a larger vehicle. Spend a day in my cab & you would'nt believe the risks some car/van drivers put themselves in.

   Yes some truck drivers are idiots but not all!!!

[Mr Skrunts]

anyone have any knowledge of the laws of driving on and leaving a roundabout?

I had a very small accident in april and my insurance company are being spectacularly rubbish about it. not only have they not even inspected my car to start fixing it but also they are saying it's totally my fault. i think it's her fault and unless it can be proven would accept half and half.

Ideally I want to know the 'rules of the road' viewpoint before discussing it more with them.

In summary (I hope this makes sense) - I was on a dual lane roundabout near High Wycombe/M40 in the inside/right lane. I entered on the north side and was due to exit at the third exit on the west side. This exit has two lanes as well.

The exits I passed on the south side were very close together and I didn't see anyone join the roundabout from them.

I indicated left to come off the roundabout and went across the outside/left lane of the roundabout headed for the right of the two exit lanes.... into a car that was trying to undertake me. she had entered the roundabout on the exit after me, claims I wasn't indicating, that she's seen lots of near misses at that location and that accelerating is the way to avoid them!

btw even though she had a clit, my car ended up worse off

any info much appreciated!

ps i have some pics which I'll try and post when i've signed up to that site!

So, you were in front, that gives you the right of way, going 3/4 way round the roundabout you have the choice of inside or outside lane.

She joins after you and excelerates to undertake you?  where, on the roundabout or the road after the exit.

If the 2nd one is the case she should have been watching you if you were in the fast lane.  The only time she has the right to undertake is coming up to a juction and you cant proceed due to traffic or conditions, but should not undertake in any of the above cases if you are indicating your intentions.

    

Bear in mind there is no such thing as a 'fast' lane.  Its lane 1, 2 or 3.....     

I should have classed them as lanes 1 and 2 , I used fast lane refering to the road if they were on the road after the round about.

But either way if Dave was on the roundabout 1st he had right of way, even if she joined at speed he was in front

Dave- print severel google earth maps off of the roundabout in question on a laser printer and draw youw movent on 1 pic in
a colour for you, another map in a coloured pen as her then do another map with both on.

but also do a map/picture at the pont where you were and she joined

plus another where you were when she was coming through on the inside.

Let a series of overhead drawings paint the picture as it happened.

admin edit to get rid of the extra return spacings...   

[CaptainZok]

Just wondering here if Dave hadn't crossed into lane 1 on the rbt but had exited straight onto lane 2 of the exit slip with the other vehicle on his nearside would it be classed as his fault or the fault of the other driver for trying to undertake him?

[hotel21]

Just wondering here if Dave hadn't crossed into lane 1 on the rbt but had exited straight onto lane 2 of the exit slip with the other vehicle on his nearside would it be classed as his fault or the fault of the other driver for trying to undertake him?

If he was lane 2 on approach, lane 2 on the roundabout then lane 2 on exit then the only way a collision would ensue is if the driver on lane 1 entered lane 2 and sideswiped him?

edit to add, provided he (Dave) did not enter lane 1 in the process....

[Dishevelled Den]

Just wondering here if Dave hadn't crossed into lane 1 on the rbt but had exited straight onto lane 2 of the exit slip with the other vehicle on his nearside would it be classed as his fault or the fault of the other driver for trying to undertake him?

I think H21's assessment is right, Dave moved lanes - even though he may have signalled his intentions, he's still obliged to ensure his chosen path is clear either by using the mirrors or looking (in this case) to his left.

The other driver should have been aware of traffic to her right and anticipated a possible move by this to the left towards the next exit - especially if that traffic is signalling its intention.

Seems like a 50/50 to me.