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Re: ANPR....
« Reply #15 on: 08 July 2010, 22:14:19 »

Not that I'm saying you could do this or anything, but someone I know did this as they were in pretty much the same situation as you. When they got pulled over by the police they said they were off to the MOT station to deliver the car, and you are covered to deliver a car to an MOT test centre without having MOT on the car. I personally wouldn't, but my mate got away with it 4 times that weekend.
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Re: ANPR....
« Reply #16 on: 08 July 2010, 22:18:05 »

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Not that I'm saying you could do this or anything, but someone I know did this as they were in pretty much the same situation as you. When they got pulled over by the police they said they were off to the MOT station to deliver the car, and you are covered to deliver a car to an MOT test centre without having MOT on the car. I personally wouldn't, but my mate got away with it 4 times that weekend.

Only covered if prebooked, police will ring in some cases, tell them the make of car and ask what reg is booked.
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« Reply #17 on: 08 July 2010, 22:18:55 »

they will also confisacate it like they did my mates. so you will be forced to get the mot even if you cant afford it then theres the storage charge on top or crushed after 14 days if im correct.
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« Reply #18 on: 08 July 2010, 23:32:26 »

If you shop about a bit on the MOT, you can still get them done for around 25 quid (I paid that last year), I got sick of some pedantic git, failing the car due to a dull (working) sidelight bulb or something daft....
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« Reply #19 on: 09 July 2010, 00:08:26 »

This has always amused me;

Drive a car without tax (RFL) and you get your knackers ripped off by a giant rodent in the presence of your first born, your car crushed and your bank account raped.

Drive a car without a valid MOT - So potentially a death trap, and all you get is a £60 fine. (assuming of course no other issues are outstanding).

Who was it that said the law is an ass?  Oh, yeah, all of us!
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« Reply #20 on: 09 July 2010, 00:55:24 »

Life has a habit of throwing us in different directions from time to time Bertie; we have to make the best of whatever we're presented with.

On the up-side, you are getting the house sorted out and you've landed the new job.  You'll not be lonely for too long when you get settled in at the job where I’m sure you’ll meet many new friends. 

You will still have all your old friends here on the OOF don't forget.
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« Reply #21 on: 09 July 2010, 09:05:25 »

BERTIE....
Take it from me (I supply ANPR equipment to the police AND fit it for them)   It brings up:
insurance valid
mot
tax validity
"tags" on car for owner (asbo or previous convictions, warrants outstanding, etc)
history of previous stopping of vehicle in last 12 months

This, mate really takes the mickey in one respect, however, it does keep the idiots that just dont bother to keep their car legal off the streets, but keeps the honest ones like us on our toes.

Its just not worth taking the chance now, police are "advised" that older poor condition cars should have "every chance" to be taken off the road and crushed.
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Re: ANPR....
« Reply #22 on: 09 July 2010, 09:16:42 »

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Its just not worth taking the chance now, police are "advised" that older poor condition cars should have "every chance" to be taken off the road and crushed.


Ahh, "Scrappage" by the back door. >:(

I can't understand why we do still have a problem with uninsured & untaxed cars. There are enough ANPR cameras following us around (not manned, on the whole, admittedly). Surely there exists photographic evidence on most cars being driven illegally. Every illegal driver could automatically receive a producer in the post and, if nothing's forthcoming, send a HIAB round.

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« Reply #23 on: 09 July 2010, 09:53:14 »

Kevin......

Similar ideas are currently being discussed with The association of chief Police officers, where "offenders" would be ticketed when spotted by traffic wardens, police officers, "hobby bobbies" or traffic officers, giving them 7 days to remedy the missing document (insurance, mot, or tax), unless the database shows the relevant missing thing has not been obtained (i.e the car has not been insured, or mot'd) a crushing order will be issued, and the offending vehicle recovered and crushed. You will be given no chance after the crushing order has been issued to remedy the situation, you will be required to remove all property from the vehicle and allow it to be lifted.
Discussions have reached a "rubber stamp" stage by the government, but the election and change of government have temporarily halted the further implementation of this until the current govt have debated it in parliament later this month.
I do not think there will be any objections to this bill, and therefore it is the belief of my company and myself that it may be "law" and in force by October, or December at the latest. However, the motoring press generally agree with it, but the AA and RAC are pressing for a more lienient stance, i.e the ability for the owner to be able to "stall" the crushing if it can be proved that the car is worthy of being kept and relicenced, and there is a monitary issue, therefore it will only be immobilized with a wheel clamp that will be taken off on the day of mot, or with production of valid insurance or tax.
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« Reply #24 on: 09 July 2010, 09:56:28 »

Speaking of tech for Police, next big thing for them after ANPR should be a hand-held, or car mounted EMP that can be targeted. Seen few protypes are already in the making  :)
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« Reply #25 on: 09 July 2010, 10:02:13 »

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Its just not worth taking the chance now, police are "advised" that older poor condition cars should have "every chance" to be taken off the road and crushed.


Ahh, "Scrappage" by the back door. >:(

I can't understand why we do still have a problem with uninsured & untaxed cars. There are enough ANPR cameras following us around (not manned, on the whole, admittedly). Surely there exists photographic evidence on most cars being driven illegally. Every illegal driver could automatically receive a producer in the post and, if nothing's forthcoming, send a HIAB round.

Kevin
I think I may have related this tale on here before, but...

My m/c was knocked over by a car when parked-up and a kind by-stander who heard the alarm go of on first nudge, gave me a reg no. of the offending car, driver of which got out to look and then drove off.

Local plod took details at their counter and handed it to their department for such things.

Said department's approach was to send two letters to registered address separated by one month.  Basically asking them if they owned the car.  Surprise, surprise, having done hit-and-run they didn't reply.

I got a letter on Met Police headed paper saying they had carried out 'extensive enquiries'.  When my insurers told me the car was uninsured I rang the signatory of the police letter to quiz her about the effort of their enquiries and was seriously disappointed at the shallowness and the deceitful description. Her defence was 'we're not police, we're civilians'.

Waste of space in my case.

MIB (you and I) paid for the damage and I had to cough-up £300 excess.

Getting to your point - We may have ANPR but there is too much bureaucracy behind them and a lack of manpower (possibly even willpower) to carry it through.
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Re: ANPR....
« Reply #26 on: 09 July 2010, 10:37:25 »

In Bertie's case, can it be parked on a public road without an MOT?  :-/
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« Reply #27 on: 09 July 2010, 10:45:47 »

No, sadly.

My understanding is that an accident involving even a parked car with no mot will render the insurance invalid, i.e. then it is an uninsured car too, and liable for the crusher!!!

of course, if it was parked OFF the public carriageway on a grass verge.........
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« Reply #28 on: 09 July 2010, 11:02:11 »

Yes as far as i understand it, there is no issue with a car being parked on a public highway as long as it has a valid RFL. Parking it on an open road without tax means the registered keeper is valid for a fine, either for not declaring the vehicle SORN (in the case of having it on a driveway) or using a vehicle on a public highway without tax.

If stopped using a car without tax the vehicle will be seized or 'clamped' a straight £100 clamp release fee doubling after 24 hours. If however you can pay this (you could have paid the tax) and the 120 surety for them not taking the vehicle you can then pay the tax and on production of the valid tax disc at your local DVLA compound they will credit the 120 surty back to the card it came off.


Give it a couple of weeks and you WILL recive a Fixed Penalty Notice for the offence of driving without tax i think they also add any unpaid back tax. The fine i think although cannot remember is about 60 pounds if settled within 7 days.

Speaking from experience :-[ i can say it isnt worth it you will be caught and with computer technology, its in the post, system must be out of date, grace periods do not exsist.

Bottom line pay it or don't use it. :y
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« Reply #29 on: 09 July 2010, 11:05:17 »

Quick ring to local plod confirms that you must NOT keep an untaxed, or un-mot'd or uninsured vehicle on the public carriageway.

it seems off road is the only option, then.
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