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[feeutfo]

its not what you do but how you do it in life, and he has consistantly done it very very badly imo. Got to respect his talent, but...

And if Vetal shoved the no. one digit in the air anywhere near me i'd whack him, arogent little shite. 

[TheBoy]

Schumacher is/was one of the great drivers of modern times. Whilst from the footage I've seen on the news I think he was definately in the wrong on this (and a fair few previous) occasions, he has what virtually every other F1 driver lacks - a real, true desire to win.  I guess that desire is simply one step removed from arrogance.

He is smart enough to know he wasn't going to do well this year, that Mercedes car is severely underdeveloped, as Brawn had no plans beyond 2009.  He is/was probably one of the best development drivers out there.

Vettel, hmmm, sore loser.  No doubt he has the skills, but lacks the race experience of his teamate.



Still, at least these people have the burning desire to win, unlike the rest of the useless poofters out there.  Take Button, another Henman in the making, always has been, always will be a loser, has only managed one truely great race in his entire career (Brazil last year). Again, no doubt he has the skill when he is in the right frame of mind, just no desire to win.

[mathewst]

I agree with TheBoy about desire to win.
Schumaher has it in abundance, and probably that is the biggest reason for him being an as...
Same goes for Senna, in my opinion he was a bigger as... than Schumaher on the track but the people liked him (probably because he wasn't german ).

[Psychoca]

Sadly Schumacher is the "Golden Boy" of racing and in all honesty I am very surprised that they laid the 10 place drop on him.

Yes, Schumacher is a legend of F1, but, he is also a master of controvesy, from his days back with Benneton with their menu option 13 (just after Launch and Traction Control had been banned, but strangely he had got it, and no punishment).  The incident at Adelaide,where he had hit the wall, then promptly took Damon Hill out of the race...  Belgium 1995, Monza 1995, and so on and so forth.  Continuous streams of Schumacher deliberately stretching the rules in his direction and not being correctly punished for them...

[Mr Skrunts]

Sadly Schumacher is the "Golden Boy" of racing and in all honesty I am very surprised that they laid the 10 place drop on him.

Yes, Schumacher is a legend of F1, but, he is also a master of controvesy, from his days back with Benneton with their menu option 13 (just after Launch and Traction Control had been banned, but strangely he had got it, and no punishment).  The incident at Adelaide,where he had hit the wall, then promptly took Damon Hill out of the race...  Belgium 1995, Monza 1995, and so on and so forth.  Continuous streams of Schumacher deliberately stretching the rules in his direction and not being correctly punished for them...

and there in lies the problem with in F1.

If Rubens did the same to Schumacher yesterday it would be completely the other way round.

[omegadan67]

It really does go to show that once a cheat, always a cheat...  The evidence does really show it was just his car and not him...

F1 isn't really high on my list of interests, and yes although he has been involved in some dubious track activites you don't get to the top of your game without some level of skill.

I doubt many drivers even in his car would have performed as he has done over the years. Right car, right driver, right place.

I saw some footage the other day of Ayrton Senna doing some very "dubious" manouvers all in the name of racing

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alain prost was his team mate at mclaren and between them they made the art of taking each other out of races and saying it was a accident/didnt see him/i was faster 1988 and 1989 season was the worst i think iirc 

[omegadan67]

I agree with TheBoy about desire to win.
Schumaher has it in abundance, and probably that is the biggest reason for him being an as...
Same goes for Senna, in my opinion he was a bigger as... than Schumaher on the track but the people liked him (probably because he wasn't german ).

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Senna was a legend and hero if you see where he started from and  what he achived the reason he was liked so much was cos he gave alot back to his roots and where others less fortunate than him with the Senna foundation his legacy still lives on

[omegadan67]

Schumacher is/was one of the great drivers of modern times. Whilst from the footage I've seen on the news I think he was definately in the wrong on this (and a fair few previous) occasions, he has what virtually every other F1 driver lacks - a real, true desire to win.  I guess that desire is simply one step removed from arrogance.

He is smart enough to know he wasn't going to do well this year, that Mercedes car is severely underdeveloped, as Brawn had no plans beyond 2009.  He is/was probably one of the best development drivers out there.

Vettel, hmmm, sore loser.  No doubt he has the skills, but lacks the race experience of his teamate.



Still, at least these people have the burning desire to win, unlike the rest of the useless poofters out there.  Take Button, another Henman in the making, always has been, always will be a loser, has only managed one truely great race in his entire career (Brazil last year). Again, no doubt he has the skill when he is in the right frame of mind, just no desire to win.

nigel mansell,alan jones,damon hill mika hakken,david coulthard alain prost,nikki lauda,james hunt all had the desire to win they managed to drive with respect for fellow drivers. 

[TheBoy]

Schumacher is/was one of the great drivers of modern times. Whilst from the footage I've seen on the news I think he was definately in the wrong on this (and a fair few previous) occasions, he has what virtually every other F1 driver lacks - a real, true desire to win.  I guess that desire is simply one step removed from arrogance.

He is smart enough to know he wasn't going to do well this year, that Mercedes car is severely underdeveloped, as Brawn had no plans beyond 2009.  He is/was probably one of the best development drivers out there.

Vettel, hmmm, sore loser.  No doubt he has the skills, but lacks the race experience of his teamate.



Still, at least these people have the burning desire to win, unlike the rest of the useless poofters out there.  Take Button, another Henman in the making, always has been, always will be a loser, has only managed one truely great race in his entire career (Brazil last year). Again, no doubt he has the skill when he is in the right frame of mind, just no desire to win.

nigel mansell,alan jones,damon hill mika hakken,david coulthard alain prost,nikki lauda,james hunt all had the desire to win they managed to drive with respect for fellow drivers. 

With the notable exceptions of Damon Hill and David Chin, I agree.  Those 2 were also losers....

[omegadan67]

Schumacher is/was one of the great drivers of modern times. Whilst from the footage I've seen on the news I think he was definately in the wrong on this (and a fair few previous) occasions, he has what virtually every other F1 driver lacks - a real, true desire to win.  I guess that desire is simply one step removed from arrogance.

He is smart enough to know he wasn't going to do well this year, that Mercedes car is severely underdeveloped, as Brawn had no plans beyond 2009.  He is/was probably one of the best development drivers out there.

Vettel, hmmm, sore loser.  No doubt he has the skills, but lacks the race experience of his teamate.



Still, at least these people have the burning desire to win, unlike the rest of the useless poofters out there.  Take Button, another Henman in the making, always has been, always will be a loser, has only managed one truely great race in his entire career (Brazil last year). Again, no doubt he has the skill when he is in the right frame of mind, just no desire to win.

nigel mansell,alan jones,damon hill mika hakken,david coulthard alain prost,nikki lauda,james hunt all had the desire to win they managed to drive with respect for fellow drivers. 

With the notable exceptions of Damon Hill and David Chin, I agree.  Those 2 were also losers....

ok i will concede to that

[TheBoy]

It really does go to show that once a cheat, always a cheat...  The evidence does really show it was just his car and not him...

F1 isn't really high on my list of interests, and yes although he has been involved in some dubious track activites you don't get to the top of your game without some level of skill.

I doubt many drivers even in his car would have performed as he has done over the years. Right car, right driver, right place.

I saw some footage the other day of Ayrton Senna doing some very "dubious" manouvers all in the name of racing

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alain prost was his team mate at mclaren and between them they made the art of taking each other out of races and saying it was a accident/didnt see him/i was faster 1988 and 1989 season was the worst i think iirc 

Made for great racing though.  When men were men, and differences were sorted out on the track (fisty-cuffs if reqd as well).

What do we dwell on now? I single swerve in a race.


Thats why F1 is for poofs now...  ...those Senna/Prost/Piquet/Mansel days will never return

[omegadan67]

It really does go to show that once a cheat, always a cheat...  The evidence does really show it was just his car and not him...

F1 isn't really high on my list of interests, and yes although he has been involved in some dubious track activites you don't get to the top of your game without some level of skill.

I doubt many drivers even in his car would have performed as he has done over the years. Right car, right driver, right place.

I saw some footage the other day of Ayrton Senna doing some very "dubious" manouvers all in the name of racing

[/highlight]


alain prost was his team mate at mclaren and between them they made the art of taking each other out of races and saying it was a accident/didnt see him/i was faster 1988 and 1989 season was the worst i think iirc 

Made for great racing though.  When men were men, and differences were sorted out on the track (fisty-cuffs if reqd as well).

What do we dwell on now? I single swerve in a race.


Thats why F1 is for poofs now...  ...those Senna/Prost/Piquet/Mansel days will never return

with fia legislation and bernnie( grab the money and run )eccelston ruling all F1 will remain a poor shodow of its once great former self

[albitz]

The big difference between the days when men were men and nowadays is imo, that in those days they were hard as nails but there was a sporting code between them, (with the notable exception of Prost/Senna with each other - they despised one another) they knew that if they went beyond certain boundaries they could easily kill themselves or someone else, it wasnt like the Nintendo (almost risk free) racing of today.
I can remember drivers banging wheels together sliding off and back on the track together (usually Villeneuve and AN other) but there was no malicious intent involved at all, and they would watch the replay together after the race and laugh eith each other about it.
Alan Jones was one of the hardest but fairest blokes ever to sit in a racing car, and his comment about Villeneuve kind of sums up for me what is missing in F1 these days - "he was the hardest craziest little blank you could ever race against, he would never give you a single inch that wasnt yours, but he would also never take a single inch from you that he knew wasnt his". Fair play. The concept is alien to F1 these days.
Its for those reasons that I dont think Scummy should ever be spoken off in the same terms as the drivers from those days, there is a world of difference between hard but fair and downright dangerous and arrogant.
I would loved to have seen Scummy puul his stunts on Jones, he would have been in his pit and dragged him out of the car and gave him a hiding. He had a bit of trouble with Piquet, playing politics and mind games etc. (very south american) he sent someone down to the Brabham pit with a message that if Piquet said one more annoying thing about him he was coming down there to give him a good pasting. Piquet never said another word about Jones.
He had to miss one race because a couple of blokes in a van cut him up badly in London when his wife and son were in the car. He chased them, caught them and jumped out of his car and started scrapping with the two who got out of the front of the van. Unfortunately for him there were four more in the back who got out and give him a proper kicking. cant imagine any of todays drivers doing that, apart from possibly weber - must be an Aussie thing.