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Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

PAT testing equipment aint cheap tho as i have looked into doing this as you dont need any qualifications to do it (just good common sense)

[Dishevelled Den]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

PAT testing equipment aint cheap tho as i have looked into doing this as you dont need any qualifications to do it (just good common sense)

you dont need any qualifications to do it (just good common sense)

That seems to be a disaster in waiting as far as I can see. - How many people running around out there can be said to have a sufficiency of common sense. :-/ :-/ :-/

[Kevin Wood]

That seems to be a disaster in waiting as far as I can see. - How many people running around out there can be said to have a sufficiency of common sense. :-/ :-/ :-/

That's exactly why we have to tick all these boxes. There was a time when the average joe had the common sense to realise that an appliance with a frayed cable, or a cable with a male mains plug on each end, was an accident waiting to happen.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

That seems to be a disaster in waiting as far as I can see. - How many people running around out there can be said to have a sufficiency of common sense. :-/ :-/ :-/

That's exactly why we have to tick all these boxes. There was a time when the average joe had the common sense to realise that an appliance with a frayed cable, or a cable with a male mains plug on each end, was an accident waiting to happen.

Kevin

Agreed K. - Curiously, the more technologically advanced we become many are less able are to function at any practical level of good sense.

Has the ability of thinking for one's self finally been done for by big government? 

[omegadan67]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

everybody has to make a living and given that the pat tester has to be approved by the niceic etc to be able to do the job with in the law plus the buck stops with him if the tested item then fries someone what price for safety???

[omegadan67]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

PAT testing equipment aint cheap tho as i have looked into doing this as you dont need any qualifications to do it (just good common sense)

you dont need any qualifications to do it (just good common sense)

That seems to be a disaster in waiting as far as I can see. - How many people running around out there can be said to have a sufficiency of common sense. :-/ :-/ :-/

  you do need to have passed a test and be affiliated to a reconized electrial test provider unless you hold a c&g 2391-10

[Xplicit 2.0]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

everybody has to make a living and given that the pat tester has to be approved by the niceic etc to be able to do the job with in the law plus the buck stops with him if the tested item then fries someone what price for safety???

nope, not true. Yes they do have to get tested but not by bodies such as NIE EIC or NAPIT hence why you dont need to be qualified to do PAT testing 

[Chris_H]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

everybody has to make a living and given that the pat tester has to be approved by the niceic etc to be able to do the job with in the law plus the buck stops with him if the tested item then fries someone what price for safety???

nope, not true. Yes they do have to get tested but not by bodies such as NIE EIC or NAPIT hence why you dont need to be qualified to do PAT testing 

Not only that.  It's a bit like our MOT test.  If the kit fails or kills someone the next day it's nigh-on impossible to prove that the fault was present when the test was carried out.  As soon as the PAT-tester's back is turned, you or I might trap a wire in a door or anything.

The example I gave above was not a suitable site for a PAT tester to do.  There was too much equipment that he was unqualified to touch let alone pull apart to examine.  Also there were clearly cowboys around who made cables and modified equipment making them unsafe.

A good PAT tester would be of use in an office where staff were banned from any DIY-type modifications, and equipment was from respected manufacturers. (I guess! )

[Dishevelled Den]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

everybody has to make a living and given that the pat tester has to be approved by the niceic etc to be able to do the job with in the law plus the buck stops with him if the tested item then fries someone what price for safety???

everybody has to make a living

Perhaps so Dan, but at what price?

pat tester has to be approved

To what standard, and do they have a formally recognised skill based on their knowledge of the subject matter gained through technical qualification?

if the tested item then fries someone

Would it not be too late then Dan?  Surely the examination of any appliance in the commercial environment should require people who are fully qualified and are up to date with the latest regulations.

I would have thought that the debacle over Home Improvement Packs (Hip’s) in the property field would have shown us that form-fillers cannot provide a thoroughly professional, accurate and legally binding service.

[omegadan67]

Just had PAT testing done at work - ~250 items @£0.80 each item, to include repairs less than 10 mins (incl plugs/fuses/flex) with report/certificate supplied in various electronic formats.  Lots of competition around - original quotes > than £1.20/item with no repairs!!
HTH 

I'm in the wrong business!
Visually inspect. Plug in. Press button. Pass = Green sticker, Fail = Red sticker or bin. £1.20 kerching!

Kevin

everybody has to make a living and given that the pat tester has to be approved by the niceic etc to be able to do the job with in the law plus the buck stops with him if the tested item then fries someone what price for safety???

everybody has to make a living

Perhaps so Dan, but at what price?

pat tester has to be approved

To what standard, and do they have a formally recognised skill based on their knowledge of the subject matter gained through technical qualification?

if the tested item then fries someone

Would it not be too late then Dan?  Surely the examination of any appliance in the commercial environment should require people who are fully qualified and are up to date with the latest regulations.

I would have thought that the debacle over Home Improvement Packs (Hip’s) in the property field would have shown us that form-fillers cannot provide a thoroughly professional, accurate and legally binding service.

being 17 th edition quailified electricion and also c&g qualified to 2391-10 and 2392-10 I would just like to point out that in order to do pat testing for other people that is outside of you employment base you have to be tested to a set level to do pat testing, if you are self employed then you should be at least 2391 qualified. if you are not you could be prossecuted for breach of statory rules. if you are reported.

AND i stress if a pat tester passes an appliance which then electrocutes someone they can be charged with industrial manslaughter if found guilty of negligence.
which would not be difficult to prove if you passed the appliance and it is faulty because your name goes on the shcedule  of works attached to the distribution board.

[Chris_H]

being 17 th edition quailified electricion and also c&g qualified to 2391-10 and 2392-10 I would just like to point out that in order to do pat testing for other people that is outside of you employment base you have to be tested to a set level to do pat testing, if you are self employed then you should be at least 2391 qualified. if you are not you could be prossecuted for breach of statory rules. if you are reported.

AND i stress if a pat tester passes an appliance which then electrocutes someone they can be charged with industrial manslaughter if found guilty of negligence.
which would not be difficult to prove if you passed the appliance and it is faulty because your name goes on the shcedule  of works attached to the distribution board.

We're talking Portable Appliances here, not fixed installs, so distribution boards and schedules of works wouldn't come into it.

[Dishevelled Den]

being 17 th edition quailified electricion and also c&g qualified to 2391-10 and 2392-10 I would just like to point out that in order to do pat testing for other people that is outside of you employment base you have to be tested to a set level to do pat testing, if you are self employed then you should be at least 2391 qualified. if you are not you could be prossecuted for breach of statory rules. if you are reported.

AND i stress if a pat tester passes an appliance which then electrocutes someone they can be charged with industrial manslaughter if found guilty of negligence.
which would not be difficult to prove if you passed the appliance and it is faulty because your name goes on the shcedule  of works attached to the distribution board. [/quote]

Thanks for clearing some of that up for me Dan

If you have a look at the question posed by Ms Cabbage over on the following, you perhaps can see why I would like a fully qualified electrician conversant with up to date regulations to conduct these saftey tests;

http://www.screwfix.com/talk/thread.jspa?threadID=32707&start=0&tstart=0

Although in essence it seems that anyone realistically offering these services would have to be an electrician with a C&G 2377 certificate at minimum. :-/

[Sixstring]

Have been PAT testing for the last 4 years, 17th edition IEE regs and 2391 C+G,  was charging £1.50 per item, and for my area it appears to be cheap. seeing as you are putting your name on an official document, you should ALWAYS take the greatest care, and not cut corners when testing.

Don't fail much, but have repaired loads of insulation out of plugs and frayed cables at the time, always carry a reel of 3 core with me.......(its all chargeable)

Not really money for old rope, consider travelling for example from my place into Bristol centre, 53 mile round trip, to do 25 items at £1.50 per item. With the cost of £5.50 factored in for the severn bridge toll, its not a mega earner........

[Kevin Wood]

in order to do pat testing for other people that is outside of you employment base you have to be tested to a set level to do pat testing

So nothing wrong with an employer sending the tea lady round with a PAT tester on her trolley.

AND i stress if a pat tester passes an appliance which then electrocutes someone they can be charged with industrial manslaughter if found guilty of negligence.

.. and by the same token my MOT tester, who last saw my car in January, can be charged if I have a car accident on the way home tonight? Both testing procedures, when properly carried out, prove the item is safe within a limited set of parameters at the time they are tested and not a minute after. At best all either will do is pick up persistent use of equipment with an easily detectable fault not guarantee its' safety at any point in the future.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

Irrespective of the qualifications required to carry out this testing, it's not difficult to suspect that it's less about safety and more about arse covering.