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Re: Meltdown of the 'climate consensus'
« Reply #15 on: 04 September 2010, 08:39:27 »

Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D
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Re: Meltdown of the 'climate consensus'
« Reply #16 on: 04 September 2010, 08:46:51 »

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Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D

facts and data is there for all to see, unlike the selective cherry-picking the deniers indulge  :y

besides, whisper it, no-one reads the endless links to nutjob theories on climate change, you can find anything on the net, I only take on board peer reviewed scientific reports, the rest is piffle I'm afraid  ;)

so, to turn it around, show me a peer reviewed, solid scientific report that concurs with your increasingly unlikely beliefs rather than all the junk pseudo science you lot are renowned for  :)
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« Reply #17 on: 04 September 2010, 10:03:35 »

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Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D

facts and data is there for all to see, unlike the selective cherry-picking the deniers indulge  :y

besides, whisper it, no-one reads the endless links to nutjob theories on climate change, you can find anything on the net, I only take on board peer reviewed scientific reports, the rest is piffle I'm afraid  ;)

so, to turn it around, show me a peer reviewed, solid scientific report that concurs with your increasingly unlikely beliefs rather than all the junk pseudo science you lot are renowned for  :)
Show us then. ::)
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« Reply #18 on: 04 September 2010, 10:16:18 »

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Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D

facts and data is there for all to see, unlike the selective cherry-picking the deniers indulge  :y

besides, whisper it, no-one reads the endless links to nutjob theories on climate change, you can find anything on the net, I only take on board peer reviewed scientific reports, the rest is piffle I'm afraid  ;)

so, to turn it around, show me a peer reviewed, solid scientific report that concurs with your increasingly unlikely beliefs rather than all the junk pseudo science you lot are renowned for  :)

Here are 800. Please let me know if you need any more. :y

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
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« Reply #19 on: 04 September 2010, 10:56:10 »

for those not believing global warming,

I can happilly invite here and lets be cooked together ;D then you will decide  ;D ;)
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« Reply #20 on: 04 September 2010, 10:59:36 »

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Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D

facts and data is there for all to see, unlike the selective cherry-picking the deniers indulge  :y

besides, whisper it, no-one reads the endless links to nutjob theories on climate change, you can find anything on the net, I only take on board peer reviewed scientific reports, the rest is piffle I'm afraid  ;)

so, to turn it around, show me a peer reviewed, solid scientific report that concurs with your increasingly unlikely beliefs rather than all the junk pseudo science you lot are renowned for  :)

Here are 800. Please let me know if you need any more. :y

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

Nickbat, if you google global warming, you can find not thousands , millions of articles opposing and supporting this idea..  ;D 

but I wont start from the beginning of this debate..
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Re: Meltdown of the 'climate consensus'
« Reply #21 on: 04 September 2010, 15:49:35 »

I think, Cem, from a perspective of someone living and working in a city as opposed to working the land/living in the country it would be very easy to be shielded from not only the changes themselves but having to adapt to new conditions - simply if it doesn't directly affect you right now economically or visually then there's no need or wish to believe the evidence..indeed why would you? If you realised the truth then the hopelessness of the situation may very well overwhelm you  :(

Of course knowing the truth and actually doing something about it are two different things - I'm probably the worst hypocrit in that I accept the overwhelming evidence to support man-made cc, but I rarely lift a finger to do anything to help, figuring it's too little, too late and hey, i live in the west we'll be the least affected :-[ - at least Nickbat and Albs have the luxury of denial  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: 04 September 2010, 15:55:50 »

Still waiting for you to provide all this proof you keep talking about. Cut the rhetoric and give us some facts. Nick gave you your request times 800 earlier. your credibility is somewhere just below a university of east Anglia climate professor. ::) ;D ;D
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Re: Meltdown of the 'climate consensus'
« Reply #23 on: 04 September 2010, 16:35:09 »

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Still waiting for you to provide all this proof you keep talking about. Cut the rhetoric and give us some facts. Nick gave you your request times 800 earlier. your credibility is somewhere just below a university of east Anglia climate professor. ::) ;D ;D


Albs, really  :o

Yeah, I'm really gonna waste a Saturday afternoon spoon feeding you with the facts  :y

Actually, you've got me, you know, there is no evidence - it's all one big conspiracy invented by the scientists of every nation on earth just to pi$$ you off - christ we haven't even got the hang of dealing with different imaginary invisible superbeings, but on this we've come together?  ;D


If I cared that you were misinformed or thought you'd ever change your position I'd have a trawl, but I really don't  ::)
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« Reply #24 on: 04 September 2010, 16:52:59 »

Ive heard some feeble excuses in my time but that........... ::)
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« Reply #25 on: 05 September 2010, 07:35:24 »

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Ive heard some feeble excuses in my time but that........... ::)

It's weird but I think I get why you're so entrenched, I'm willing to bet that you've never read a report that wasn't from a deniers perspective - like most of a narrow-mind you'll only read what you already believe to be true, me posting links to thousands upon thousands of reports would do no good - here's what I do Albs - someone gives you a truth, now metaphorically I take that nugget of truth and bend, shake, stretch, hammer, heat, freeze, sink it in short, test it to destruction - if it holds up it pretty much goes in the truth box. Now with climate change denial - I'd love to think it's all a hoax but every single piece of evidence supporting your stance has been thoroughly debunked as far as I'm aware! Now here's your exercise for today: name one, just one cast-iron fact that proves you're right - I'll show you it's wrong, then you give me another, again - I'll debunk it, you give me another and so on and so forth until there are no excuses left. How about that? Then will you stfu?  :y
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« Reply #26 on: 05 September 2010, 08:39:36 »

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Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D

facts and data is there for all to see, unlike the selective cherry-picking the deniers indulge  :y

besides, whisper it, no-one reads the endless links to nutjob theories on climate change, you can find anything on the net, I only take on board peer reviewed scientific reports, the rest is piffle I'm afraid  ;)

so, to turn it around, show me a peer reviewed, solid scientific report that concurs with your increasingly unlikely beliefs rather than all the junk pseudo science you lot are renowned for  :)

Here are 800. Please let me know if you need any more. :y

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....
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« Reply #27 on: 05 September 2010, 09:16:21 »

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Would be nice to see you back up your opinion with some facts/proven data/reasoned argument - but hell will probably freeze over before that happens, and then you would just blame that on climate change. ::) ;D ;D

facts and data is there for all to see, unlike the selective cherry-picking the deniers indulge  :y

besides, whisper it, no-one reads the endless links to nutjob theories on climate change, you can find anything on the net, I only take on board peer reviewed scientific reports, the rest is piffle I'm afraid  ;)

so, to turn it around, show me a peer reviewed, solid scientific report that concurs with your increasingly unlikely beliefs rather than all the junk pseudo science you lot are renowned for  :)

Here are 800. Please let me know if you need any more. :y

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D....

sorry Karl, you're a big boy - how many of those 800 reports were written by climatologists?.....because I've yet to find one - I'll be out all day, so you've got 10 or so hours, please ask Albs and Nickbat for any help, as between 97 to 99% of all publishing climatologists agree on human-induced climate change, so there's bound to be at least one climatologist on that list who thinks its all a big hoax - surely? shouldn't be too difficult  :y

oh, once you find him, do a little digging on who pays him for his ...ahem....research  ;)
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« Reply #28 on: 05 September 2010, 09:23:48 »

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Ive heard some feeble excuses in my time but that........... ::)

It's weird but I think I get why you're so entrenched, I'm willing to bet that you've never read a report that wasn't from a deniers perspective - like most of a narrow-mind you'll only read what you already believe to be true, me posting links to thousands upon thousands of reports would do no good - here's what I do Albs - someone gives you a truth, now metaphorically I take that nugget of truth and bend, shake, stretch, hammer, heat, freeze, sink it in short, test it to destruction - if it holds up it pretty much goes in the truth box. Now with climate change denial - I'd love to think it's all a hoax but every single piece of evidence supporting your stance has been thoroughly debunked as far as I'm aware! Now here's your exercise for today: name one, just one cast-iron fact that proves you're right - I'll show you it's wrong, then you give me another, again - I'll debunk it, you give me another and so on and so forth until there are no excuses left. How about that? Then will you stfu?  :y


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name one, just one cast-iron fact that proves you're right - I'll show you it's wrong, then you give me another, again - I'll debunk it

Can the same not be said for you BJ? ;D

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why you're so entrenched


I'm happy to believe that you do in fact keep an open mind BJ but am disturbed somewhat that you seem to accept that the changing climate results solely/mainly from recent human activity.

I have no problem with accepting that there are indeed changes happening to the climatic balance we've all experienced and enjoyed over the recent past.  As far as I’m concerned however this is part of the natural cycle driven by a living planet powered by its sun - the only reason incidentally for earth's ability to support life in the first place -   - our impact in terms of atmospheric pollutants which may contribute to an overall heating (if this does indeed exist in any extensive way) is in my view minimal.

Where we have altered things to the detriment of the planet seems to spring from avarice and the lust for power and influence: The stripping of the rain forest for gain, deforestation of vast swaths of land for the purposes of mining/building, the constant probing of the planet in the search for energy sources.

The list is extensive but always seems to depend on the use, and in some cases the over use, of planetary resources.  This in my view is more worrying than the alleged overheating of the global atmosphere by what we’ve done over the last one hundred years or so.

Aside from this, I’m surprised that many apparently sensible people appear to accept, without question, the assertions of individuals/groups who maintain that the science is ‘settled’ in terms of AGW.  Since when is science ever settled?

There is, undoubtedly, an agenda being formed by these people/groups but I would suggest that it’s concerned more with the desire for power, influence and the acquisition for money than it is for the health of the planet. And, while there have been many comments made about the trenchant nature of the AGW ‘deniers’, I would submit that this tendency pales into insignificance when compared to the evangelical fervour shown by the likes of former VP Gore, the UN, the IPCC, Greenpeace, WWF, FOTE and the EU to name but a few most of whom seem to be satisfied that the science has indeed been settled and no one has the legitimate right to question it and what they plan to do about it.
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