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[Jinglemaster2]

It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying and so on - we will always remember what we were doing 

Can I just rewrite that slightly?
It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying, the US governemnt knowingly and deliberately demolishing the WTC buildings for financial benefit - we will always remember what we were doing

[cem_devecioglu]

Since the subsequent invasion of Iraq (although the US and UK had never actually stopped bombing Iraq since the "end" of the smarter Bush's war in '91) just taking figures from 2003 there's been 1.2million civilians killed in Iraq alone, now aside from the fact that the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 atrocity were Saudis and Iraq had nothing to do with it, by my reckoning the death toll from 9/11 (around 3000) has been inflicted on Iraq 4 or 5 times a month since 2003. So yes, it was a tragedy, yes the police, fire crews, emergency services were unbelievably heroic but let's get it into perspective 

So everyone wishing and "praying" this never happens again, but sorry, it happens weekly....just not in the States 

fact.. and imo 1.2 million dead people is not something that can be ignored.. thanks Banjax

What has that to do with remembering those who died 0n this day in New York cem? 

This thread was about them, should either you or BJ wish to start a thread on the war in Iraq or Afghanistan please do so - I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Reason simple .. Regardless of their nation, they are all human lifes .. and they died starting from the same event.. [size=12]or after a series of related events wich started before september 11 2001[/size].. :-/

[Nickbat]

It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying and so on - we will always remember what we were doing 

Can I just rewrite that slightly?
It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying, the US governemnt knowingly and deliberately demolishing the WTC buildings for financial benefit - we will always remember what we were doing

Yes, and the Moon's made of cheese. Besides which, Elvis is alive and working in a chip shop.

Some people will believe anything.    

[pscocoa]

After a week in Nigeria I arrived home on 10th September 2001. I had a meeting in London on the morning of 11th September 2001 and then was booked for New York en route to Bermuda. My wife and I were checked in for New York at Heathrow around 1.45pm and then my assistant called and told me to get to a TV screen. I recall that despite the scenes on the TV BA were still not confirming that the flight was cancelled. The tears in the lounges will not be forgotten as events unfolded.

It was 5pm before we got our luggage back and my kids were ringing to get us to leave the airport as rumours of an attack had started.

The following day we went to Florence on holiday instead. A really disturbing experience.

After returning from Florence about 10 days later I had to go to Brazil followed by Washington. The Americans were all reluctant to travel to meetings.

A year later on 11th September 2002 few people travelled and I was on a virtually empty flight to Strasburg.

[Dishevelled Den]

too soon?

it's Diana all over, no ones ready to put in context yet that's all  :-?

Start another thread in that case if you want to get into the circumstances covering the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Is beyond your sensitivities to solely remember those who died on this day?

Furthermore if you're concerned about context, the deaths you mention subsequent to this particular act (in New York) have nothing to do with it as the conflict you refer to had not yet started.

[cem_devecioglu]

It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying and so on - we will always remember what we were doing 

Can I just rewrite that slightly?
It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying, the US governemnt knowingly and deliberately demolishing the WTC buildings for financial benefit - we will always remember what we were doing

Yes, and the Moon's made of cheese. Besides which, Elvis is alive and working in a chip shop.

Some people will believe anything.    

Nickbat I'm sure you watched this famous 9/11 video..

[cem_devecioglu]

shortest 9/11 version
http://personalgrowthcourses.net/video/9-11_truth_documentary

[Dishevelled Den]

Since the subsequent invasion of Iraq (although the US and UK had never actually stopped bombing Iraq since the "end" of the smarter Bush's war in '91) just taking figures from 2003 there's been 1.2million civilians killed in Iraq alone, now aside from the fact that the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 atrocity were Saudis and Iraq had nothing to do with it, by my reckoning the death toll from 9/11 (around 3000) has been inflicted on Iraq 4 or 5 times a month since 2003. So yes, it was a tragedy, yes the police, fire crews, emergency services were unbelievably heroic but let's get it into perspective 

So everyone wishing and "praying" this never happens again, but sorry, it happens weekly....just not in the States 

fact.. and imo 1.2 million dead people is not something that can be ignored.. thanks Banjax

What has that to do with remembering those who died 0n this day in New York cem? 

This thread was about them, should either you or BJ wish to start a thread on the war in Iraq or Afghanistan please do so - I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Reason simple .. Regardless of their nation, they are all human lifes .. and they died starting from the same event.. [size=12]or after a series of related events wich started before september 11 2001[/size].. :-/

I'm still confused how that fact relates to remembering those who died in New York.

Should I wish to remember those who died in other circumstances, I'll start a thread about it.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The tragic day will be remembered and many tears shed for some considerable time to come.

This event is already filling books on history and politics, and will continue to do so for decades, and possibly centuries, to come such was the magnitude it represented in most of our lives.  Through such works, and as time passes, the truth of it all will be assertained by some, but still argued by others,  as we still discuss the truth about Roman events.

For now we should just remember and wish God blessings to all those left to grieve their loved ones .

[Jinglemaster2]

It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying and so on - we will always remember what we were doing 

Can I just rewrite that slightly?
It is one of those dramatic dates in history - man on the moon, Elvis dying, the US governemnt knowingly and deliberately demolishing the WTC buildings for financial benefit - we will always remember what we were doing

Yes, and the Moon's made of cheese. Besides which, Elvis is alive and working in a chip shop.

Some people will believe anything.    

I am not srure if you are agreeing or being sarcastic. Doesn't bother me if you are, but i ahve studied this extensively.

Without opening up a debate as this is really a sypathy thread, which I am totally in agreement with, I suggest you watch the many, many documentaries which PROVE that the WTC was a demolition and not an accident.

It isn't theory, it is fact.

The WTC was losing huge amounts of money. Many floors of Tower 1 & 2 were deserted. It was sold for $15 Million 6 months before 911. It was then specifically iunsured for terrorist attack and collapse. The insurers paid out $7 Billion to the lucky buyer.

Thermate (Thermite + sulfur) has been proved to have been used as well as a very extensive explosion/demolition of all 3 towers (1, 2 & 7). Building 7 was supposed to be hit by flight 93, which never happened. It just fell down, luckily in a very controlled manner.

It takes 2,500 degrees faranheit to melt steel. Aviation fuel burning un controlled burns at 1200 degrees F. Steel beems were cut clean in two at 45 degrees, just like in demolition. A 100 storey building cannot pancake collapse in 9.6 seconds, that is the speed of free fall. It wasn't a free fall. In a pancake collapse the falling slows as m,ore and more floors pancake. That didn't happen.

Just as a footnote to this terrible atrocity, which is what it was but not as people wish to believe, many many more are dying fro them effects of asbestos from the WTC, because all the steel structure was coated in the stuff. Another major headache for the former owners.

Do your research people!

[cem_devecioglu]

Since the subsequent invasion of Iraq (although the US and UK had never actually stopped bombing Iraq since the "end" of the smarter Bush's war in '91) just taking figures from 2003 there's been 1.2million civilians killed in Iraq alone, now aside from the fact that the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 atrocity were Saudis and Iraq had nothing to do with it, by my reckoning the death toll from 9/11 (around 3000) has been inflicted on Iraq 4 or 5 times a month since 2003. So yes, it was a tragedy, yes the police, fire crews, emergency services were unbelievably heroic but let's get it into perspective 

So everyone wishing and "praying" this never happens again, but sorry, it happens weekly....just not in the States 

fact.. and imo 1.2 million dead people is not something that can be ignored.. thanks Banjax

What has that to do with remembering those who died 0n this day in New York cem? 

This thread was about them, should either you or BJ wish to start a thread on the war in Iraq or Afghanistan please do so - I'll be more than happy to contribute.

Reason simple .. Regardless of their nation, they are all human lifes .. and they died starting from the same event.. [size=12]or after a series of related events wich started before september 11 2001[/size].. :-/

I'm still confused how that fact relates to remembering those who died in New York.

Should I wish to remember those who died in other circumstances, I'll start a thread about it.

There is no doubt many will remember those innocent people even in far countries.. of course mostly their families..

but imo its most important to find who the evil did this and how.. with those unanswered questions
I dont believe those families feel satisfied..which needs to be done..

[Nickbat]

The WTC was losing huge amounts of money. Many floors of Tower 1 & 2 were deserted. It was sold for $15 Million 6 months before 911. It was then specifically iunsured for terrorist attack and collapse. The insurers paid out $7 Billion to the lucky buyer.

...

Do your research people!

I just did.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXNDZDATLg[/media]

[Banjax]

Zulu - you're right about another thread being appropriate.


As to that actual day I remember someone coming in to the office saying that they're flying planes into landmarks across the US, we went up to the conference room, stuck on the TV and watched in shock as the towers came down, reports flying all over the place (one was about a car-bomb in a van outside the whitehouse(!?)) - all part of the confusion on the day I guess 

[Jinglemaster2]

We will have to agree to disagree then.

I watched a controlled demolition. You watched a terrorist attack.

Just one point to consider. When Buildings 1 & 2 collapsed it heavily damaged buildings 5 and 6 and also partially damaged building 7.  However, dispite buildings 5 & 6 being immediately adjacent to the twin towers, both were still standing but heavily damaged after the event. Building 7 copletely collapsed into its 60ft foundations. Something that is only achieveable by demolition. Explain that then?

The truth will one day come out. Thousands of innocent people dfid however lose their lives and that is what we are remembering today. The culprits weill eventually be brought to justice, but it will be entirely from within the US that they are found.

[Iain]

I dont know if it was a terrorist attack or a controlled demolition, and to be honest i dont really care!

This thread was to remember the people who lost their lives!!


God bless them all

(Take your theories and arguments to the other thread and respect the dead)