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[Mr Skrunts]

Daw, can't we just lock them? Feel left out now...
 

lol

I had a couple of days where I was too busy to read the oof, I do a catch up. and there was a 3 page backlog in gen chat, seems RB2 has left, and a few juicy threads have been deleted.  serves me right for taking time out I suppose.  plus to top it all I still aint got my post count back. 

Skrunitie a naughty boy!

Maybe a hall of shame section, locked of course, no I know it's not going to happen.

Things to do on oof.
King status.      been there
Couple of guides.  Would'nt know where to start.
Post count cull.   Current situation
Thread in hall of shame.
Retire happy.    there's a thought, doubt I would be missed, and plenty would love that, STOM at the top of the list for that one.

Or in Estys case
As above...
Strop off and start again.  

[Mysteryman]

Daw, can't we just lock them? Feel left out now...
 

lol

I had a couple of days where I was too busy to read the oof, I do a catch up. and there was a 3 page backlog in gen chat, seems RB2 has left, and a few juicy threads have been deleted.  serves me right for taking time out I suppose.  plus to top it all I still aint got my post count back. 

Skrunitie a naughty boy!

Maybe a hall of shame section, locked of course, no I know it's not going to happen.

Things to do on oof.
King status.      been there
Couple of guides.  Would'nt know where to start.
Post count cull.   Current situation
Thread in hall of shame.
Retire happy.    there's a thought, doubt I would be missed, and plenty would love that, STOM at the top of the list for that one.

Or in Estys case
As above...
Strop off and start again.  

No no no Skruntie. You've got me all wrong.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Once again!!!!!!!!!!

I have just written a post on the religious thread recommending BJ takes it no further.  Go to post it and the thread has GONE, yet again!!

Can we not express our polite opinions anymore? :-/ :-/ :-/

Probably best to delete eventually admins, but can we not discuss it just a bit further as adults? :-/ :-/

 

[Debs.]

Probably best to delete eventually admins, but can we not discuss it just a bit further as adults?

Sadly, (based on long experience) it is evident that many such threads will inevitably deteriorate into unpleasantness with vociferous and sometimes personally insulting 'opinions' being expressed under the guise of 'free-speech' or as spreaking as an 'adult'......

The comment by the Cardinal about "agqressive atheism" (strangely) didn`t seem too-far from the truth; for, a mention of having a personal faith/belief these days and one may be the victim of the most insulting diatribe of derision by such "adults".

 As with many `another forum, perhaps it`s better to accept that there are still subjects too personal for anonymous and therefore guilt/consequence-free discussions.

I would imagine the OOF admins are heartily sick of such topics and their ultimate consequences!

Surely, nuff-said!

[Entwood]

Very well said Debs ... 100% agreement with you 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Probably best to delete eventually admins, but can we not discuss it just a bit further as adults?

Sadly, (based on long experience) it is evident that many such threads will inevitably deteriorate into unpleasantness with vociferous and sometimes personally insulting 'opinions' being expressed under the guise of 'free-speech' or as spreaking as an 'adult'......

The comment by the Cardinal about "agqressive atheism" (strangely) didn`t seem too-far from the truth; for, a mention of having a personal faith/belief these days and one may be the victim of the most insulting diatribe of derision by such "adults".

 As with many `another forum, perhaps it`s better to accept that there are still subjects too personal for anonymous and therefore guilt/consequence-free discussions.

I would imagine the OOF admins are heartily sick of such topics and their ultimate consequences!

Surely, nuff-said!

Yes Debs, you are right of course

Shame this is the situation though on the OOF, but we will never change it

I know that I personally are now often not posting on any thread that could be controversial for fear of what will happen!

[steve_daly]

It's a little sad that threads are 'moderated' on what the thread may or may not become before it even has a chance to become anything.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

It's a little sad that threads are 'moderated' on what the thread may or may not become before it even has a chance to become anything.

That is my point Rufus, but the admins have probably "had enough" (mild language!! ) of threads causing them real headaches when being legally responsible the the OOF site. 

Therefore although it is frustrating at times, as I felt this morning after carefully drafting what I thought was a great neutral reply to a potentially damaging thread, we should understand the greater picture that the Admins have to face everyday.  They give their services free, so why should they put up with so much agro from a few difficult members?  I wouldn't!!

[steve_daly]

I fully understand your point of view Lizzie. However, punishing the many for the actions of a few isn't really fair.

I have moderated before myself, also for free, and I know it's not an easy job but anticipating what may or may not happen in a thread was certainly a big no no for the company I 'worked' for.

It's a dangerous area because users lose the right (and the will) to freely post their opinions, and a forum ran in that manner soon just becomes a place where anything other than what the mods or owners like is binned.

Of course I don't own or run this place so ultimately if that's how who ever does so chooses to run it, so be it. After all, I or anyone else have the choice not to come here.

It's funny though because in a recent thread someone commented on how new members may be put off joining by some of the content/comments made, I feel though an over moderated stifled forum is far worse than an open one.

We are after all adults does anything written or spoken about on here really offend or upset anyone? It is, after all, not the 'real' world.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I fully understand your point of view Lizzie. However, punishing the many for the actions of a few isn't really fair.

I have moderated before myself, also for free, and I know it's not an easy job but anticipating what may or may not happen in a thread was certainly a big no no for the company I 'worked' for.

It's a dangerous area because users lose the right (and the will) to freely post their opinions, and a forum ran in that manner soon just becomes a place where anything other than what the mods or owners like is binned.

Of course I don't own or run this place so ultimately if that's how who ever does so chooses to run it, so be it. After all, I or anyone else have the choice not to come here.

It's funny though because in a recent thread someone commented on how new members may be put off joining by some of the content/comments made, I feel though a over moderated stiffled forum is far worse than an open one.

We are after all adults does anything written or spoken about on here really offend or upset anyone? It is, after all, not the 'real' world.

Fair comment Rufus! 8-) 8-)

[davethediver]

I fully understand your point of view Lizzie. However, punishing the many for the actions of a few isn't really fair.

I have moderated before myself, also for free, and I know it's not an easy job but anticipating what may or may not happen in a thread was certainly a big no no for the company I 'worked' for.

It's a dangerous area because users lose the right (and the will) to freely post their opinions, and a forum ran in that manner soon just becomes a place where anything other than what the mods or owners like is binned.

Of course I don't own or run this place so ultimately if that's how who ever does so chooses to run it, so be it. After all, I or anyone else have the choice not to come here.

It's funny though because in a recent thread someone commented on how new members may be put off joining by some of the content/comments made, I feel though a over moderated stiffled forum is far worse than an open one.

We are after all adults does anything written or spoken about on here really offend or upset anyone? It is, after all, not the 'real' world.

Fair comment Rufus! 8-) 8-)

You mean there's a world outside of OOF tell me more

[TheBoy]

We prefer a 'light touch' moderation scheme, hence have a small mod team. This works best for oof, and has served us well for most of the 4+ yrs.

However, sometimes we have bouts of members being less tolerant, so we have cycles of heavier moderation - and we have to clamp down a bit harder.

EArlier this year we allowed some of these threads to remain longer than we should, and nastiness almost became the norm. We all went through much pain to get the site back on it's rails, and don't want to have to repeat that. I think I've publically said I certainly am not prepared to put that level of work in again, simply because some people are intolerant and think they can hide behind anonymity of the web.


The comment about all being adults is interesting in 2 respects. Some parents, rightly or wrongly, involve their children, and we've always said we are family friendly and open to all.  Also, if we are Adults, how come so many of us sometimes act like children?


I'm all for free speech and freedom, but anybody using that right has to consider the audience, not just themselves. The Internet has bred a generation of people who overly abuse that right.


As a moderator here, i feel whilst we do make mistakes, we (admin team and membership) have got this site going more or less in the right direction, and created a healthy online atmosphere.

[steve_daly]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for one minute suggesting that a free for all is better, far from it.

Some control obviously needs to be had, the level of swearing kept to a minimum and of course abusive behaviour stomped on all together, so I am fine with how things are done

I do love to debate as you may have seen, and rightly or wrongly I like to have my say. But when threads are just removed because they may cause a problem later I don't feel is the right approach. Not everyone will agree or like what someone else says or thinks but that's just a fact of life.

If you would rather certain subjects not touched, then make that clear in a sticky or forum rules. Moving the goal posts because of moderator/owner feelings, workload or previous threads or others past behaviour isn't really fair.

Will another religion thread be removed?

Why did the Koran one stay?

Etc etc.

It's far easier to keep things in check if the users know what can and cannot be touched upon. If one minute something is OK and the next day it isn't it confuses me, let alone that fella that gets confused in M&S

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for one minute suggesting that a free for all is better, far from it.

Some control obviously needs to be had, the level of swearing kept to a minimum and of course abusive behaviour stomped on all together, so I am fine with how things are done

I do love to debate as you may have seen, and rightly or wrongly I like to have my say. But when threads are just removed because they may cause a problem later I don't feel is the right approach. Not everyone will agree or like what someone else says or thinks but that's just a fact of life.

If you would rather certain subjects not touched, then make that clear in a sticky or forum rules. Moving the goal posts because of moderator/owner feelings, workload or previous threads or others past behaviour isn't really fair.

Will another religion thread be removed?

Why did the Koran one stay?

Etc etc.

It's far easier to keep things in check if the users know what can and cannot be touched upon. If one minute something is OK and the next day it isn't it confuses me, let alone that fella that gets confused in M&S

Once again Rufus, very fair and true comment

There does seem to be different rules for one thread and another on the same subject

Threads on religion and politics often attract intense debate, that can go pear shaped don't I know!!    But to ban them before they get going??  Not sure about that really.

[Dishevelled Den]

The following is contained in the Forum Guidelines.


The decision of the Admin Team is final, and a long drawn out post mortem on any action or decision is never helpful.


Which says it all really.