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Coolant issues
« on: 04 May 2007, 09:54:52 »

Wee update on troublesome vectra....work for me is 10 hours a day during the week so not much time to play ..

Been running and draining the radiator and clearly its well gunked up in radiator as although i get clear water out i dont get enough out....

Ran it for a while with cap off and woosh out came a real pile of thick goo from header tank...

Yesterday before work it blew top radiator hose off and deposited another pile of goo.....and wow i nearly deposited a pile myself as i was standing next to it and the back pressure was amazing ( hose was jubileed on) even though its topped right up its saying coolant low so i am guessing its gunked or air locked ( not sure which)

So i am now deliberating over runnning it 5 mins at a time with header tank open or doing a troublesome radiator replacememnt ( well have you seen the space in a veccy v6 you have to work with)

Radiator is still cold even though hoses are hot....to be honset its not been really flushed yet due to work commitments though  :-X

What does running with expansion tank cap off actually do?
« Last Edit: 04 May 2007, 09:57:19 by Markiec »
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #1 on: 04 May 2007, 10:01:50 »

Quite simply, it lowers the boiling point of water.......
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #2 on: 04 May 2007, 10:20:34 »

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Ran it for a while with cap off and woosh out came a real pile of thick goo from header tank...

Yesterday before work it blew top radiator hose off and deposited another pile of goo.....and wow i nearly deposited a pile myself as i was standing next to it and the back pressure was amazing
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #3 on: 04 May 2007, 11:53:49 »

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Quite simply, it lowers the boiling point of water.......


is this ok to continue in short bursts ?
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #4 on: 04 May 2007, 12:00:08 »

It'll be OK until it warms up, assuming there's still a decent flow of water around the block. Beware though, once the stat opens you may get a surge of water out the open tank, not sure how the system is plumbed in on this car.
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #5 on: 04 May 2007, 14:31:12 »

The coolant's boiling point is increased when under pressure, so this allows the coolant to get very hot but not boil. When it boils, it turns into gas, and this is not good for cooling as the gas is not a good heat conductor - it also dramatically increases in volumes which in turn increases the pressure in the system. The pressure relief valve built into the header tank cap will ensure that the hoses won't burst by releasing some of the gas, but this means lose of coolant which is allowed to escape.

If you run the engine with the header tank cap off, when the coolant warms up it will eventually boil - some of it will escape as vapour and some will simply gush out of the header tank so you will eventually have very little coolant left in the system which will lead tio further overheating...

You can drive with the cap off while watching the temp gauge, when it gets near the 80 degrees mark switch the engine off and let it cool down before driving off again.

However, this is also far from ideal - once you loose coolant, you will have air coming in and when there is air trapped in the cooling system, the gauge stops working correctly - the sender has to be in contact with the liquid coolant in order to measure the temperature, when it is in contact with an air bubble instead it will not register the temperature - so the gauge could show a cool engine while in fact it is boiling. Remember that the temp gauge only work properly when the cooling system is full on coolant...







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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #6 on: 04 May 2007, 17:51:08 »

thanks folks it wont be driven for a while yet - its simply being allowed to idle until it chucks some coolant out the header tank ( then switched off at about 80degrees and allowed to cool for a few hours before refilling)

Judgeing by lack of heat in rad / lack of heat through car heater and the sludge still coming out i am going to replace radiator - already have a brand new Trade Carded one in the garage anyway....its clearly still blocked when the expansion is filled to the brim but i am still getting "check coolant"

So if its shoooting sludge out - from Paul M`s feedback above -  then the thermostat is at least opening?
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #7 on: 04 May 2007, 21:33:19 »

I am guessing the switch in the expansion bottle is fubar....

I would keep off from putting new rad until you've cleared more sludge...
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #8 on: 04 May 2007, 22:35:24 »

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I am guessing the switch in the expansion bottle is fubar....

I would keep off from putting new rad until you've cleared more sludge...

thing is the hoses ( top and bottom run clear) so i reckon the rad is the problem with the sludge.. :-/
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #9 on: 05 May 2007, 21:12:18 »

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I am guessing the switch in the expansion bottle is fubar....

I would keep off from putting new rad until you've cleared more sludge...

thing is the hoses ( top and bottom run clear) so i reckon the rad is the problem with the sludge.. :-/
Tried a hose through the rad?
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #10 on: 05 May 2007, 21:58:02 »

Hi, you could also try running a hose through the heater pipes as well where they go through the bulkhead,leave the short pipes conneted to the heater side disconnected at other end so you can push your hose up to or even into the pipe. its bit!!! fiddley but you'd be amazed at what comes out ;)
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Re: Coolant issues
« Reply #11 on: 06 May 2007, 00:45:28 »

Mark - I would suggest a small hosepipe and duct tape party.  Apply hose sealed with duct tape to any and every orrifice and flush the barsteward to within an inch of its life after a gunk enema.....

If you feel you want to, remove the radiator and leave the b*gger on its front and filled with the degreaser/bleach mix of you choice overnight, then flush it again.

Just needs a bit of further time and effort and perseverance, pehaps?    :y

B

ps - got the socket OK, thanks...    :y

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