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[Amigo]

Calender news on in the background. Just heard a report that a bunch of asian youths held up the owner of an asian corner shop. When the shop owner stood his ground & refused they beat him to death with bottles of wine from the shop shelf. The whole shebang will cost the state a fortune once the courts are done & the inevetable long sentances are dished out. They're turning on eachother now despite being "British born" I sympathise with the shopkeeper & have no problem with folk like him working hard here, but why when schools, NHS, pensions, private & public sectors, even the civil list is being hacked by 14%...i'm sure they'll scrape by somehow...are the gang of idiot coward bully boys not deported? Why should they draw our benefits, NHS etc, do something this despicable & we pay to lock them up?
    By all means let the hard working folk from all other countries stay, they work for thier place here but if we're having cutbacks let's ship the above sh.. back to thier origins & see how rather' brave they are then.

[albitz]

And arrange for the ship to spring a large leak once out to sea.
Scum like this,regardless of their race/religion/background etc arent worth fresh air.

[Entwood]

The "youths" are likely to be 3rd generation now, so are as "British" as you and I .. according to the law.  Born in Britain of British parents.

They actually don't have anywhere to be "deported" to.

Some more accurate thinking rather than kneejerk "soundbites" needed methinks.

[Andy B]

The "youths" are likely to be 3rd generation now, so are as "British" as you and I .. according to the law.  .....

but still go 'home' when holidaying in Pakistan  :-? :-? :-? :-?

[tidla]

i dont know what those guys were on when they walked into that shop.. the level of violence used, they were on something. this crime has nothing to do with racism in any way.

[albitz]

The "youths" are likely to be 3rd generation now, so are as "British" as you and I .. according to the law.  Born in Britain of British parents.

They actually don't have anywhere to be "deported" to.
Some more accurate thinking rather than kneejerk "soundbites" needed methinks.

The seabed will do fine for me.

[mrgreen]

I don't know anything about the story but i must say it has nothing to do with race and all you brits have to live with the fact that this is not an integaration problem but this is a gang problem and i think personally it will happen more and more, society doesn't have the values it had before and this is only the start, community values went south in the sexual revolution and have never really recovered so who's leading the youth of today..parents? well if that's true god help us

[Amigo]

The "youths" are likely to be 3rd generation now, so are as "British" as you and I .. according to the law.  Born in Britain of British parents.

They actually don't have anywhere to be "deported" to.

Some more accurate thinking rather than kneejerk "soundbites" needed methinks.

Good evening. Ever the voice of reason & i happily admit calmer of nature & probably better educated than i am. I don't care how many generations have passed it makes no odds. Sometimes the law is "a" ass. Had my parents been in China when i was born i'm not chinese regardless of the law. I have no problems with any folk from abroad who choose to live & work here, i'm in daily contact with them & i admire the shopkeeper for standing his ground so please don't tar me with the racist or knee jerk reaction brush, your sit on the fence they are english response is just as predictable & by no means original.
   I don't care what the law says regarding ethnicity, the law has been proved wrong before & in this case is spineless. Why in theses days of cutbacks should we pay for anyone from anywhere to go through the courts & long sentence for turning on there own? What is the point of thier existence in any society? Just saying "according to the law" is no argument, in fact it's a cop out. They must have origins however many generations back so if they commit such offences then back they should go. When we can't keep our own pensioners why should we spend a fortune we don't have on such worthless miscreants?
    Once again i'm not racist. I can think of plenty of white english folk i'd love to banish from Blighty but we need to stand up for ourselves & stop leaning on the "humane rights" card. Whether you agree or not the fact is we can't afford it & why should we?

[mrgreen]

yes i understand fully your point and am with you all the way believe me but saying send them back to their country certainly signifies rascism and unfortunately we stand firm on a democratic society!! or would you like to see them stoned to death??

[Dishevelled Den]

The "youths" are likely to be 3rd generation now, so are as "British" as you and I .. according to the law.  .....

but still go 'home' when holidaying in Pakistan  :-? :-? :-? :-?

I am happy enough to agree with Entwood - but you make an important point Andy.

There seems to be a fundamental disconnect between certain ethnic groups (home-grown or otherwise) and the state.

This will undoubtedly cause further trouble in the future - but in this instance I would say (sadly) to those who choose to live separately by having no desire to integrate fully, that it's time to hit the road.

[mrgreen]

Entwood.. i am third generation new zealand what else would i call myself apart from New Zealand you are right whose at fault here?? certainly not pakistan!!

[Nickbat]

The "youths" are likely to be 3rd generation now, so are as "British" as you and I .. according to the law.  .....

but still go 'home' when holidaying in Pakistan  :-? :-? :-? :-?

I am happy enough to agree with Entwood - but you make an important point Andy.

There seems to be a fundamental disconnect between certain ethnic groups (home-grown or otherwise) and the state.

This will undoubtedly cause further trouble in the future - but in this instance I would say (sadly) to those who choose to live separately by having no desire to integrate fully, that it's time to hit the road.

Sadly true, Zulu, and likely to be a flashpoint in the future. 

[mrgreen]

Zulu well said but i don't feel this is an integration problem and id´f what entwood says after 3 generations who's fault is it really, on average you're talking about 30 years of integaration

[mrgreen]

not an easy subject i'm afraid but all in all i hope those boys get what is coming to them

[tidla]

not an easy subject i'm afraid but all in all i hope those boys get what is coming to them

i doubt they will, making the loss of life even sadder.