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[Dishevelled Den]

Zulu well said but i don't feel this is an integration problem and id´f what entwood says after 3 generations who's fault is it really, on average you're talking about 30 years of integaration

There's probably a number reasons - each one as valid as the next - why certain groups choose not to identify with the nation they reside in.

The problem is what can be done about it?  This stance of 'apartheid' is problematic in the general course of things but becomes of critical importance when dealing with radicalised opinion.

Europe as a whole will face similar difficulties in the future as I believe that the dissatisfaction shown by such groups will degenerate into violence at some point.

[Amigo]

not an easy subject i'm afraid but all in all i hope those boys get what is coming to them

Once again this is not a racist issue on my part but i find what they did to thier own hard to understand & don't see why we should foot what is going to be quite a substantial bill to rightly punish them.
   I admit i don't have all the answers but this just does'nt seem right somehow. Sorry if i offended anyone. Guy. :-/

[Andy B]

..... why certain groups choose not to identify with the nation they reside in......

A bit like the British in India during the British Raj/Empire 

[tidla]

..... why certain groups choose not to identify with the nation they reside in......

A bit like the British in India during the British Raj/Empire 

its took time, but i think we all like a good curry now and again. :

[Dishevelled Den]

..... why certain groups choose not to identify with the nation they reside in......

A bit like the British in India during the British Raj/Empire 

Aah but the Brits were there to pillage the place Andy and those who did remain after the formal withdrawal lived a surreal existence of being aligned to the higher echelons of the state but at the same time remained separate to it.

Would it have served those ‘Empire builders’ to have integrated with the native community? – Who can tell, but the circumstances were vastly different given the time and the reasons for their being there in the first place

[mrgreen]

not an easy subject i'm afraid but all in all i hope those boys get what is coming to them

Once again this is not a racist issue on my part but i find what they did to thier own hard to understand & don't see why we should foot what is going to be quite a substantial bill to rightly punish them.
   I admit i don't have all the answers but this just does'nt seem right somehow. Sorry if i offended anyone. Guy. :-/

no offence taken!! but when you say what "they did to their own" unfortunately is a racist statement as it shouldn't matter who it was done to and on that point would you understand if it was done to someone outside of their race? but either way the guys are animals and should be locked up maybe the death penalty should be brought back for certain cases, would be alot cheaper.

[Richie London]

death sentance. only way forward in this world now.

[rikki_essex]

What really gets me is that they are little shits and should be inhumanly put down and people with the same option should not be afraid to say so incase they are branded racist. I think every body has to prove they are not a racist when the talk about a subject like this. The definition of a racist is

1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

Most people have a form of racism due to dealings with people from a certain background. Take me for example I have only ever dealt with about 10 Nigerians and every time I have lost money or tried to be conned. Therefore I will now not deal with Nigerians this does not make me racist all I have done is learned by mistakes I know I am tarring all with the same brush but I find this the easiest way. It doesn’t make me what to beat the crap out of all Nigerians.   

[Terbs]

death sentance. only way forward in this world now.

Totally agree, Richie...

But you know, as has been said many times...this comes under 'do-gooder' territory, in which the minority prevail

[aaronjb]

Death sentence is great until you wrongly convict someone..

[hotel21]

Death sentence is great until you wrongly convict someone..

At least with a public stoning the broken bones and bruises heal after a few months - unless someone gets a lucky throw in.........

[Mysteryman]

What really gets me is that they are little shits and should be inhumanly put down and people with the same option should not be afraid to say so incase they are branded racist. I think every body has to prove they are not a racist when the talk about a subject like this. The definition of a racist is

1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

Most people have a form of racism due to dealings with people from a certain background. Take me for example I have only ever dealt with about 10 Nigerians and every time I have lost money or tried to be conned. Therefore I will now not deal with Nigerians this does not make me racist all I have done is learned by mistakes I know I am tarring all with the same brush but I find this the easiest way. It doesn’t make me what to beat the crap out of all Nigerians.   

Bad choice of words Rikki.

[aaronjb]

Death sentence is great until you wrongly convict someone..

At least with a public stoning the broken bones and bruises heal after a few months - unless someone gets a lucky throw in.........

[Mysteryman]

Death sentence is great until you wrongly convict someone..

At least with a public stoning the broken bones and bruises heal after a few months - unless someone gets a lucky throw in.........

There's my missus again.

[aaronjb]

I've never been on a forum where I've been able to use that image quite so much ..