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[albitz]

All part of the same problem/ mentality imo Vamps.
You are right in what you say that there have always been benifit abusers, but imo it is now on a much bigger scale altogether than it used to be.
The question still remains though, if the British are too lazy to pick spuds etc. who was picking them  before the mass influx of immigrants in recent years?

[Vamps]

As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant....

If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there....................

Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo.

Well I am 53 years old and this seems to have always been the case so I am not sure you can blame the last government......

Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......

I know of that in the 60's no idea who was in government.......

[aaronjb]

Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......

Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?

[Psychoca]

As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant....

If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there....................

Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo.

The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't...  If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers...  It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields. 

The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......

Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?

To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill.  Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for,  6 weeks 28 days!!.

[aaronjb]

Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......

Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?

To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill.  Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for,  6 weeks 28 days!!.

That's not what Vamps said.. did he steer me wrong? 

(And I don't know.. the idea of being medicated up to the eyeballs so you don't know what day of the week it is, and no longer having to worry about work/life/the future/the past? That's quite appealing, if you ask me.. probably an inaccurate view of modern mental care, mind)

[Dishevelled Den]

As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant....

If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there....................

Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo.

The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't...  If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers...  It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields. 

The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.

Fair point No.1

The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies

Fair point No.2

The previous government are/---------/ to blaim for this situation

Fair point No.3

as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU

[Varche]

As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant....

If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there....................

Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo.

The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't...  If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers...  It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields. 

The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.

I wondered how long it would be before the EU was dragged into this. I do not see anything that the current government will do that will change this situation. There are plenty of "equal opportunity" laws that could be used by folk to say they can't get a look in at these sort of jobs. I thought that was one thing the last government was actually very hot on!! 

[Psychoca]

As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant....

If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there....................

Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo.

The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't...  If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers...  It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields. 

The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.

I wondered how long it would be before the EU was dragged into this. I do not see anything that the current government will do that will change this situation. There are plenty of "equal opportunity" laws that could be used by folk to say they can't get a look in at these sort of jobs. I thought that was one thing the last government was actually very hot on!! 

The british Equal Opportunities laws are a joke, they will nearly always go with the minority as they are based on early sexism acts...

You will also find that trying to get work as a british person in many other european countries, even if you are fluent in the language of the country.  Even taking residency in some European countries, you have to show that you can self support yourself AND be fluent in the language of the country...

I don't dispute that there are many able bodied people sitting lounging on benefits, but, there are large numbers of people who purely are unable to get the work, who are willing hard workers...

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......

Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?

To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill.  Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for,  6 weeks 28 days!!.

That's not what Vamps said.. did he steer me wrong? 

(And I don't know.. the idea of being medicated up to the eyeballs so you don't know what day of the week it is, and no longer having to worry about work/life/the future/the past? That's quite appealing, if you ask me.. probably an inaccurate view of modern mental care, mind)

No, because most mental health patients are aware of what is going on, and are very worried, even scared, of what is going to happen next, or not    They feel pain, anxiety, and fear just as everyone else does, but have aweful other effects on their mind which can distort everything for a period of time, or permanently, making their pain accutely worse

[Varche]

As this is potato picking week I am not surprised to find children in the fields, I was there, aged 8,9 and 10 years old and I remember the money was brilliant....

If British workers were there then the Romanian's would not have been there....................

Have to disagree with this myth that the only reason the immigrants are here doing these jobs is becuase the British wont do them.
The British workers did do all these jobs before Labour imported themselves a new electorate. I picked potatoes when I was on short time in the early 80.s.
Relatives of mine used to spend several months of every year picking crops of all varieties - adults and children alike.
Maybe what used to be the hard working British working class dont do so much of this type of arduos work anymore because it has been made too easy to just sit at home claiming benefits and watching junk TV eating junk food.
Thats the (Liebore inspired)mindset that needs to be changed imo.

The bigger issue surrounding this is the employment agencies that are employing the pickers and associated field workers are renouned for making it difficult for British to enroll in their agencies, some agencies won't...  If you are fortunate enough to get some work through them, invariably you'll find that you are in very much a minority, only a hand ful of british workers surrounded by migrant workers...  It isn't necessarily a case of it beig easier to claim benefits as opposed to working on the fields. 

The previous government are solely to blaim for this situation as it is the previous government who signed us fully into the EU.

I wondered how long it would be before the EU was dragged into this. I do not see anything that the current government will do that will change this situation. There are plenty of "equal opportunity" laws that could be used by folk to say they can't get a look in at these sort of jobs. I thought that was one thing the last government was actually very hot on!! 

The british Equal Opportunities laws are a joke, they will nearly always go with the minority as they are based on early sexism acts...

You will also find that trying to get work as a british person in many other european countries, even if you are fluent in the language of the country.  Even taking residency in some European countries, you have to show that you can self support yourself AND be fluent in the language of the country...I don't dispute that there are many able bodied people sitting lounging on benefits, but, there are large numbers of people who purely are unable to get the work, who are willing hard workers...

I can attest to that in Spain. Real jobs get allocated as follows. 1st to a family member or friend., secondly to other Spaniards and finally to foreigners. If you get a job it will be temp status so you can be let go with no costs. Spain needed a lot of labour during the last ten years and actaully actively and financially encouraged immigration from anyone who spoke Spanish and was prepared to work. Those people found work in agriculture and building.  Now they have no work following the total collapse of building industry. They are being offered a 1000 euros a head to clear off back home! A lot cannot as they are in negative equity with flats etc they bought.

[albitz]

So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/

[cem_devecioglu]

So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/

not.. cheap labour.. system..

[albitz]

Agreed, but also when your former electorate have bought their homes from the state, bought themselves shares  in the companies which used to be owned by the state, started small businesses and made themselves a few quid, you are suddenly left with a lot less support than you used to have ( as a socialist party), so you import yourself a new poor, working class.
A big help when it comes to getting re- elected. And it worked for a while.

[aaronjb]

So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/

I'm confused .. you mentioned Libyan immigrants in one breath, but EU rules in another..

Last time I checked, Libya wasn't part of the EU - thus immigrants (illegal) can be deported.

You can't, however, deport an immigrant from an EU member state as they have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU - as do we.. So if it's getting too crowded over here for you, why not try Spain, or Germany, or France? (No, they can't send you home..)

'course, every other country speaks English, and how many of us speak German, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian etc? (and whose fault is that?)