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[Amigo]

I think it's as someone has already said. What was the norm a generation ago is a casr for social services now. As kids we used to pick spuds, apples, catch, kill & pluck chooks, paper rounds, milk rounds, golf caddying & anything we could do to turn a coin. It's a sad sign of the times that our precious little offspring have to be wrapped in cotton wool lest they get a splinter & thier parents get imprisoned for child neglect & is why they expect everything for nothing, hardly thier fault really.
    One of the good things to come from being an old duffer is the fact i actually have a childhood to look back on which resulted in a work ethic. Once again this goes back to the non job do gooders who have no hands on experience of anything but have been issued with a pamphlet, watched a DVD So now know what's best for all of us.
  Everyone's an expert. Those of us who simply get on with things & have done all our lives could really do without such folk.

[cem_devecioglu]

So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/

I'm confused .. you mentioned Libyan immigrants in one breath, but EU rules in another..

Last time I checked, Libya wasn't part of the EU - thus immigrants (illegal) can be deported.

You can't, however, deport an immigrant from an EU member state as they have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU - as do we.. So if it's getting too crowded over here for you, why not try Spain, or Germany, or France? (No, they can't send you home..)

'course, every other country speaks English, and how many of us speak German, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian etc? (and whose fault is that?)

 

interesting point of view..

the reason behind this cultural "education" is to broaden trade and all other things.. which was the initial aim.. and in one way or another  its achieved ..

and without doubt there are more English speaking foreigners on the world  than the citizens on the Britain

ps: I dont count Usa ..

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think it's as someone has already said. What was the norm a generation ago is a casr for social services now. As kids we used to pick spuds, apples, catch, kill & pluck chooks, paper rounds, milk rounds, golf caddying & anything we could do to turn a coin. It's a sad sign of the times that our precious little offspring have to be wrapped in cotton wool lest they get a splinter & thier parents get imprisoned for child neglect & is why they expect everything for nothing, hardly thier fault really.
    One of the good things to come from being an old duffer is the fact i actually have a childhood to look back on which resulted in a work ethic. Once again this goes back to the non job do gooders who have no hands on experience of anything but have been issued with a pamphlet, watched a DVD So now know what's best for all of us.
  Everyone's an expert. Those of us who simply get on with things & have done all our lives could really do without such folk.

For me Guy, absolutely spot on!!

[aaronjb]

Don't worry Cem, nobody counts the USA!

As for work ethic.. I'm only 32, but my first job was as a street sweeper in our village! A shovel, a broom, wheelbarrow and (luxury!) gloves were my tools.. not even a high vis vest for dodging the passing cars

[cem_devecioglu]

Don't worry Cem, nobody counts the USA!

As for work ethic.. I'm only 32, but my first job was as a street sweeper in our village! A shovel, a broom, wheelbarrow and (luxury!) gloves were my tools.. not even a high vis vest for dodging the passing cars

 

[cem_devecioglu]

and one more point, the boss will never say no to a British worker who can do the jobs better and work for the same salary ..

for the european countries and for here ..

[albitz]

So, Spain is paying immigrants to go home
France is rounding up the least desirable immigrants and sending them home.
Italy is stopping the asylum seekers as soon as they land and sending them back to Libya with no attempt to establish if they are genuine or not.
Germany has announced that multi culturalism doesnt work.
The UK govt. has been saying for years that there nothing to be done about immigration because A - Its a marvellous thing. and B = EU laws would prevent them from doing much about it anyway
Strange. :-/

I'm confused .. you mentioned Libyan immigrants in one breath, but EU rules in another..

Last time I checked, Libya wasn't part of the EU - thus immigrants (illegal) can be deported.

You can't, however, deport an immigrant from an EU member state as they have the right to live and work anywhere in the EU - as do we.. So if it's getting too crowded over here for you, why not try Spain, or Germany, or France? (No, they can't send you home..)

'course, every other country speaks English, and how many of us speak German, French, Italian, Spanish, Romanian etc? (and whose fault is that?)

sorry if I confused you, maybe I didnt make my point very clearly.
I am aware that Libya isnt an EU member state and its citizens dont have an automatic entitlemnet to live in an EU country.
They do however have a legal right to arrive in the country and claim asylum, Their claim should then be investigated to ascertain if it is genuine or not. Italy simply stops them when they come ashore to claim asylum and immediately sends them back to Libya.
My point in relation to this and the UK was that god knows how many people have come here in recent years and claimed asylum. We all know most of them are bogus, but the contrast with Italy as very marked indeed. Once they arrive here the chances of them being sent back, after having been found to be bogus is very remote.
I was under the same misapprehension as you, I believed that any citizen from an EU member state had a legal right to live in another member state. So how is France getting away with rounding up Romanian gypsies and sending them back to Romania ?
Your point about overcrowding - I do believe this country is overcrowded. The roads/schools.hospitals and the rest of the general infrastructure is close to breaking point imo. There are schools in London with classes in which there are almost as many languages as kids in the classroom - for example. madness imo.
I dont think the answer to the countries problems (well not all of them) would be for me to move to mainland europe, but thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated.
Getting out of the EU would imo, go some way to putting us back on the right track though.

[Vamps]

Have you any idea of how many people in secure hospital are on full disability benefit, but because it is hospital do not have to pay towards there keep so it mounts up to many thousands.......

Awesome. Where can I get myself sectioned?

To start with being sectioned due to mental health issues is something noone wants unless they are very ill.  Secondly the benefits are greatly reduced, and usually stopped, once an individual has been continually on a mental health ward for,  6 weeks 28 days!!.

Not sure where you get that from but you are mistaken, I have been in meetings where there has been many tens of thousand of pounds in some accounts.........................

PS.  I am talking 'incapacity benefit' no other, now called 'esa' or something like that....

Oh, and not 'sectioned' secure hospital place as an option to a custodial sentence, set by the Court....